Quote Originally Posted by Togores View Post
What u guys side in and out in the UG list vs

Sneak and show?

TES?

ANT?
I agree with basically everything that Zotmaster said. General SB strategy differences between lists I tried to sum up in post #1716 on this thread.

Based on my current (trinket, UG list, below) SB which doesn't change drastically:

4 Swan Song
4 Force of Will
3 Flusterstorm
1 Hydroblast
1 Chalice of the Void
1 Pithing Needle
1 Glen-Elendra Archmage

As always, my philosophy with SBing, especially in Post is that there can be some strong guidelines, but you need to gauge how your opponent is playing, and if they have a unique list.

Sneak & Show
+4 Swan Song, +4 Force of Will, +3 Flusterstorm, +1 Hydroblast, +1 Pithing Needle, +1 Glen Elendra

-4 Show and Tell, -1 Bajouka Bog, -1 Ulamog, -2 Expedition Map, -4 Repeal, -1 Engineered Explosives, -1 Glacial Chasm

If they have defense grid, leave in a way to remove it. Blood moon is manageable with basics and trinket into goodies. Counter what you need to, until you get to needles or Glen Elendra and hardcast Titan. Get Karakas out ASAP.

ANT
+4 Swan Song, +4 Force of Will, +3 Flusterstorm, +1 Hydroblast, +1 Chalice of the Void, +1 Glen Elendra

-1 Emrakul, -1 Ulamog, -1 Eye of Ugin, -2 Expedition Map, -1 Pithing Needle, -2 Engineered Explosives, -2 Cloudpost, -4 Repeal

Same story, counter things until you get a chalice, Glen Elendra or Titan out. Big them twice if you can. If they have swarm, keep repeals and shave SnT/Maps. Some might me surprised at cutting eldrazi plan, but against storm any win con will get there. It's usually a 2/2 oracle for me, but if I'm spending big mana I like that Titan gets life/bog/chasm. Cloudpost can get shaved because you can afford to miss land drops, you just need early blue and untapped lands - CP doesn't help here. Hating on the yard is key.

TES
+4 Swan Song, +4 Force of Will, +3 Flusterstorm, +1 Hydroblast, +1 Chalice of the Void, +1 Glen Elendra

-1 Emrakul, -1 Ulamog, -1 Eye of Ugin, -3 Expedition Map, -1 Pithing Needle, -2 Cloudpost, -1 Candelabra, -2 Show and Tell, 2 Sensei's Divining Top

TES is much more aggressive and front loaded, which pushes the same ANT board plan even further, map is entirely too slow, where as against ANT it's decent at getting a bog. Top is even iffy. You need to mull to hate. Repeal is in to respect swarm, though you should save FOW for it. EE is great bc they are usually on the goblins plan. The end game matters less, if it's turn 4 and you're alive with any threat it's doing work for you. Chalice is obviously king, and if you see TES a lot Id play two.


Notice how I never take oracle out. With oracle you get a constant stream of spells, since lands stay off the top of the library. You also get a 2/2 beater. Against non-elf combo almost all of my wins come from swinging with an oracle, with superior card advantage holding the fort down. She also thins the deck to your hate permanents too.

Now, while I don't feel too bothered by these three matchups, Revoker is *excellent* against each, so you can try that too. Right now I like chalice/needle, but he's on deck.