Quote Originally Posted by PirateKing View Post
My 4 color list came from Stryfo, so all credit to him. He and I we're testing it before that spike from the pros that one event.
Fair enough, all credit to where credit is due. Since you are going as deep as this splash might you want to add some extra red cards like faithless looting to the mix?

Quote Originally Posted by Cpt-Qc View Post
Just a standard list. I meant Collective Brutality, not the abomination that is counterbalance :P

With more instant and less permanent hate being in the meta in the form of surgical/faerie, I feel hapless is not a bad choice. I wouldn't hate having something to bring back when people surgical in response to exhume and It can potentially bin another creature in response if you are lucky. It also makes a fine protection against sac effects and blocks one attack. Also daze is noticeably worse than hapless will ever be if the game goes long.

The problem with Jace is it's so damn slow sometimes and it sucks even more in the face of drs.

Misdirection is just the fifth force for counter wars. Sometimes you get lucky and can use it on ancestral, StP or AD but most of the time it's just a counter. It gets sided out in any fair matchup.
Fair enough on the point of baby Jace, he is a bit slower. I have worked under the assumption that UB reanimator doesn't worry about reanimating until T4/5. Not that you wouldn't take the T1 if it were handed to you on a silver platter, just that hand sculpting is kind of THE THING that blue does. Between that and black shaping our opponents hand with discard I had the (probably wrong) view that the mindset was of a grind/control with a combo finish.

And that is at least in part why I am on this particular thread asking/stating what may be obvious to the rest of the group, I am trying to learn the archetype more thoroughly beyond my own biases (red T1 or bust).