[Primer] Nic Fit

[Luthiereisfun]

Has anyone tried kholagans command in Sneak Fit? It's not cheap removal but seems like it could be good flexible value. Considering trying it out as a 1-2 of but It seems to be a card no one is playing in their Sneak Fit lists so I was curious.

[Bobmans]

KCommand Yes sir. This card als always a 2 for 1. Shooting down pneedle and retrieve Emrakul on the trigger. The card is obviously very good vs DnT.

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Has anyone tried kholagans command in Sneak Fit? It's not cheap removal but seems like it could be good flexible value. Considering trying it out as a 1-2 of but It seems to be a card no one is playing in their Sneak Fit lists so I was curious.

Feel free to try it, but you touched on its issue. It is way expensive to kill Delvers, early Deathrites, early Elves, etc. Deck needs its removal to be able to interact earlier and not be so weak to Wasteland/Stifle/Daze. Jund doesn't get Swords/Path and needs the cheapo damage options whether you go Bolt or PFire.

Edit: or Fatal Push - but killing Jace and damaging players is a real appeal for the damage options.

[Arianrhod]

Could you justify it in Sneak lists as why to protect it in counter wars when trying to resolve things like sneak attack?

The way I've been playing the deck is you try to pick your spots carefully with Sneak and if they counter it usually the second one you find can resolve. Basically just trying to overload them.

Basically this. REB/Pyro could be fine in the deck if you want to take it more combo. I play it more midrange with a combo engine, as opposed to the other way around, so I personally stay away from them, but I wouldn't fault anyone for running it. Honestly, as TNN picks up more and more, Pyro might end up being correct even with a more midrange approach. Something to think about.

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Honestly, as TNN picks up more and more, Massacre Wurm might end up being correct even with a more midrange approach. Something to think about.

There we go

[Navsi]

If we're running removal in Sneak with more than 1 CMC, Collective Brutality is better than Kommand most of the time.

[Ulysse95]

Feeling like Courser isn't a bad thing, I run around 17 creatures. Technically that would be a 17/61 chance of hitting an extra card, but with Top and shuffle effects that chance can usually double. From experience Courser which is 22/61 lands has about an 80% hit rate with SDT. I'll check the exact math on this one later when I have some time at lunch.

The CA is definitely there, and the body is a good enough size.

The only question I have left, is if it's fast enough. You're probably not getting another creature with it on the turn it comes down. So while it represents a 2:1 or even more (especially if you chain creatures on top), it takes a full turn to have any payoff. In contrast, Meren represents an additional card simply by passing the turn.

It's not a strict upgrade or anything, but I do think it's very playable.

It seems to be a good one of for the bob versions in my opinion.

But seems awesome with Aluren...

[Arianrhod]

There we go

I've won way too many games with Inferno Titan to ever cut him. Same with Primeval, same with Bellower. The 6-spot is pretty much set in stone as far as I'm (personally) concerned.

[Warden]

Kev, only discussing your most recent list's roster since it's in the public domain:

1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Eternal Witness
1 Fierce Empath
1 Inferno Titan
1 Primeval Titan
1 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Thragtusk
1 Tireless Tracker
1 Woodland Bellower
2 Deathrite Shaman
4 Veteran Explorer
1 GSZ (functionally a dude)

No doubt you have great lines of play in the deck (Bellower -> Empath -> 6 CMC is backbreaking). The singleton Zenith potentially bringing surprise friends to the table.
Still love Sakura even though he looks terrible on paper. However, I'd negotiate Thragtusk and Tracker. Perhaps Huntmaster of the Fells breaks the rotation for Jund lists?
He comes out a turn faster than Tusk, makes friends, potentially burns the opponent/planeswalkers. Just an idea.

@TNN decks: Why not Kessig Wolf Run?

@Massacre Wurm: We could copy Big Red and just go over the top with Worldspine Wurm instead. Deal 15 to the dome, leave 3 wurms to mop up the subsequent turn.

[Luthiereisfun]

Kev, only discussing your most recent list's roster since it's in the public domain:

1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Eternal Witness
1 Fierce Empath
1 Inferno Titan
1 Primeval Titan
1 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Thragtusk
1 Tireless Tracker
1 Woodland Bellower
2 Deathrite Shaman
4 Veteran Explorer
1 GSZ (functionally a dude)

No doubt you have great lines of play in the deck (Bellower -> Empath -> 6 CMC is backbreaking). The singleton Zenith potentially bringing surprise friends to the table.
Still love Sakura even though he looks terrible on paper. However, I'd negotiate Thragtusk and Tracker. Perhaps Huntmaster of the Fells breaks the rotation for Jund lists?
He comes out a turn faster than Tusk, makes friends, potentially burns the opponent/planeswalkers. Just an idea.

@TNN decks: Why not Kessig Wolf Run?

@Massacre Wurm: We could copy Big Red and just go over the top with Worldspine Wurm instead. Deal 15 to the dome, leave 3 wurms to mop up the subsequent turn.

I have thought about kessig wolfrun. It seems like it would be a great inclusion and make late vets game ending. My only issues is wasteland. But we usually run a phyrexian tower/volraths and those are no less susceptible.

[Arianrhod]

Tracker's great. See also Sam's report from Worcester a couple pages back, where Tracker carried him through a couple games. Tracker also carried me a couple times at Mythic last month. Definitely don't see him going anywhere soon. Thragtusk is...debatable. I get antsy not having any source of lifegain, but Tusk hasn't really been that amazing, at the same time.

Kessig is only worth considering if we move off PFire. Even then, 3 colorless lands is a lot. I've also had the problem with Kessig where I've liked it in theory, but in practice it's never been that good for me.

I'm resistant to Worldspine for the same reason I am Massacre -- I don't want another 6+ drop. The deck's endgame is fine and doesn't really need any further help. That lets us focus our efforts on having the best early and midgame we can manage, which I feel is important. If our opponent gives us infinite time, we're going to set up Towers with Inferno/E.Wit or just flat hardcast Emrakul. Either of those situations will result in bad times for the opponent.

[Bobmans]

Basically this. REB/Pyro could be fine in the deck if you want to take it more combo. I play it more midrange with a combo engine, as opposed to the other way around, so I personally stay away from them, but I wouldn't fault anyone for running it. Honestly, as TNN picks up more and more, Pyro might end up being correct even with a more midrange approach. Something to think about.

Chances are you will not be going to counter TNN, rather i would have the resources already there to deal with him on the board, ie Toxic Deluge or Golgari Charm. Also, primetime, Inferno and Emrakul don't care about TNN anyway. Honestly, going for a more combo apporoach I'd go with more discard, going grindy, I'd go with more board control. Massacre Wurm could cause a total blow-out on occasion, but i can also imagine tons of situations where it is stuk in your hand. And we already have Emrakul doing that.

[Luthiereisfun]

For me right now the hardest part of sneak fit is what cards to side out. What are the flex slots of the deck? The list I am running runs Infernto/Prime Titan, Bellower and Emrakul as the "finishers" ..Everything else is pretty stock and what you would expect.

[Ganfar]

@Bobsman: I took a look on your Jund list and I like that list. Have you play it recently?

[Bobmans]

@Bobsman: I took a look on your Jund list and I like that list. Have you play it recently?

Thnx, i did play some games with the list. Currently i am running Chandra, ToD over Flamecaller and Tireless Tracker over 1 Verdant Catacombs.
So far, i like both Chandra's. Flamecaller is really strong in this list, ToD can be a bit awkward at moments, but i will need more play to determine which one is the better one in the list.
Having Nissa, Chandra, 2 Stormbreath Dragons and PrimeTime really adds to the deck (Jund PFire) as it was missing some punching power. On overall, this deck always surprises me on how flexible it can be and win games that seemed hopeless to begin with.

[Ganfar]

Thnx, i did play some games with the list. Currently i am running Chandra, ToD over Flamecaller and Tireless Tracker over 1 Verdant Catacombs.
So far, i like both Chandra's. Flamecaller is really strong in this list, ToD can be a bit awkward at moments, but i will need more play to determine which one is the better one in the list.
Having Nissa, Chandra, 2 Stormbreath Dragons and PrimeTime really adds to the deck (Jund PFire) as it was missing some punching power. On overall, this deck always surprises me on how flexible it can be and win games that seemed hopeless to begin with.

I like both Chandras as well. I just got a ToD. So you play with two Tireless now? I think it's great. Personaly I want to play with 2 Huntmasters in this list

[Bobmans]

I like both Chandras as well. I just got a ToD. So you play with two Tireless now? I think it's great. Personaly I want to play with 2 Huntmasters in this list

I have just updated to my recent list. So 1 Tracker main. 61 card maindeck with 22 lands, as per usual mostly.
Because i am committing to Stormbreath Dragon and Chandra, i cannot have room for 2nd Tracker and/or Huntmaster. Having 2 of each is valid. Dropping SBD also means we could run 1 mountain rather then 2.
Stormbreath Dragon is such a great card, having haste, flying and out of reach for bolt, decay and !plow is a pretty big deal. A lot of times i can monstrous it the second turn it is in play, which usually mean i win that game. People don't except it etiher...

[Megadeus]

I have no idea if this is real. Or if it's good. But I present thee

[Echelon]

Has no evasion/trample.

[rubblekill]

Does that worm solve any of our problems? No