View Poll Results: Most bannable card in Legacy? (not that they will touch it)

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  • Brainstorm

    16 8.33%
  • Force of Will

    4 2.08%
  • Lion's Eye Diamond

    35 18.23%
  • Counterbalance

    34 17.71%
  • Sensei's Divining Top

    103 53.65%
  • Tarmogoyf

    46 23.96%
  • Phyrexian Dreadnaught

    2 1.04%
  • Goblin Lackey

    4 2.08%
  • Standstill

    6 3.13%
  • Natural Order

    8 4.17%
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Thread: All B/R update speculation.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by CptHaddock View Post
    Yeah I don't think so either. Seems like the majority of Reddit users on the Legacy subreddit are just modern converts.
    Well that can't be true, since they all just swore off Legacy until the Reprint List is burned to a crisp. /s
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    At the time of posting this, Abrupt Decay is the following % of the meta...

    26.2%

    I would like the people who claim that CB is the reason for this card to be played in such high numbers to remember this one year from now... I'll have crow ready to serve.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Can I dust off my Zoo?

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Terminus is still out there.
    Just saying.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tittliewinks22 View Post
    At the time of posting this, Abrupt Decay is the following % of the meta...

    26.2%

    I would like the people who claim that CB is the reason for this card to be played in such high numbers to remember this one year from now... I'll have crow ready to serve.
    It's a great card on it's own, but I think it's gotta decrease a bit without Miracles around. Especially with Fatal Push around for creatures.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by aluisiocsantos View Post
    Can I dust off my Zoo?
    Will Delver's metagame share go down after today?

    Quote Originally Posted by hovercraft View Post
    It's a great card on it's own, but I think it's gotta decrease a bit without Miracles around. Especially with Fatal Push around for creatures.
    It's still the cleanest answer to stuff like Leovold, Lili, Goyf, Delver.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tittliewinks22 View Post
    At the time of posting this, Abrupt Decay is the following % of the meta...

    26.2%

    I would like the people who claim that CB is the reason for this card to be played in such high numbers to remember this one year from now... I'll have crow ready to serve.
    I already said I'd be happy to eat it if I end up being proven wrong.

    This change is going to be good for Legacy, long-term, I feel pretty confident.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Yep. There's still targets for Decay, but the likes of Nature's Claim, Fatal Push, Lightning Bolt, the new white card disenchant can be more efficient answers and still hope to resolve, and you don't have to warp your mana base into BGxx to deal with Counterbalance. I'd honestly sleeve up Golgari Charm over Decay now, and toss in some Nature's Claims for the errant Blood Moons and equipment.
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    I about died from laughter when I was watching my feature match and the commentators called Tinfins a difficult and challenging deck.

    I'm not saying it's the easiest deck to play, but the plan is so linear that I could probably get white girl wasted and still beat people with the deck.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    So what's next.
    Kagu-Tsuchi カグツチ (Jund NicFit)
    Rhino's Abbondanza (Junk NicFit)
    4c Aggro Loam

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    How about: ramp into Deed, clear the board, and bash your opponent's head in.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Wait a minute ! OooHHHHH MmmYYY GGgGGOOODDDD !!!!!!!
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Julian23 View Post
    sic semper tyrannis
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    I am so happy right now. Miracles was killing my love for legacy over the last 3 months. I am super invigorated about legacy again.

    It is a brave new world boys and girls. I cant wait to see it.

    Also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KquFZYi6L0

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by CutthroatCasual View Post
    Will Delver's metagame share go down after today?
    Too real man, too real.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobmans View Post
    So what's next.
    I can buy that thing from you and put it on shelf next to twin.

    Also im happythat i stick my decision to build tezzeret as my first legacy deck and not miracles :D

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    First, the absolute madmen! They actually did it!


    Also of note: They didn't give us a hostage in return (unless I missed something) which I find pretty interesting. I assume that means one of two things:
    * They're quite concerned about all of those cards
    * They would rather see what happens to the format rather than inject all this change in one sitting

    Still, very interesting. Red just got a huge shot in the arm, Elves will probably enjoy some power, and that means that other combos will be back in force too I imagine; circling around, meaning we should see more Delver too. Very interesting times ahead!

    oh man! Bant got better too! Don't have to piss yourself about constantly having 4 colors.
    An exciting day for the brewer indeed

    EDIT: Miracles has been boring me out of legacy for a good two years. As soon as it was apparent that it was an obvious best deck (around where people were still arguing whether the Ponder version or the Legend version was better) it's been a thorn in my side. Every time I brewed a Grixis, Bant, Esper, or a non-U deck, the specter of "Oh good, I'm perma locked unless I play 4 colors, get lucky, or play subpar garbage" loomed, and killed my enjoyment.

    I am mildly sad it's Top, but no complaints. I wanted Terminus because frankly I figured hitting the lesser-evil card would be safer, but OH MAN. Time to play some Legsy
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by hovercraft View Post
    It's a great card on it's own, but I think it's gotta decrease a bit without Miracles around. Especially with Fatal Push around for creatures.
    It's going to remain powerful, I expect an uptick in Chalice to fight combo, and that means Abrupt Decay to answer it.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Yeah, it's a little odd to see no prisoner exchange considering there's a decent list of reasonably safe cards they could have picked.

    I tend to think that Counterbalance is a grossly powerful card, and I wonder if it will stick around without top.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crimhead View Post
    My argument is This:
    1. Less that 1/6 of the meta is Miracles, and that is the format's only hard control deck.
    2. Forcing control out to make space for a wider variety of midrange (an archetype not currently lacking representation) will be a net loss of diversity (by measure of viable play-styles).
    To be fair, you're just wrong. Lands was still a thing and is going to be a thing. As is aggro loam (which is still a control deck, despite it's name. It relies on Loaming and Pfiring your opponent to death.)

    Just because MIracles was the only "BLUE control deck" is not a way to steal the thunder from the Loam decks. Additionally, Cloudpost control could be a thing again depending on how the meta shifts.

    We haven't seen this format without CounterTop dominating for like.. three years. We may well find *different* control strategies survive and evolve now that being locked out for not playing Black isn't as big a deal.
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    Wrong. Gideon Emblem protect you from losing and you can even open your binder and slam some cards on the board, not even the HJ can DQ you now.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crimhead View Post
    They also said this wasn't enough to justify a ban.
    WotC: That alone is not necessarily enough to move to ban a card from the deck...
    Please, reread what they said
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    June 2012 Update

    Grognards rejoice! After an obscenely long absence, classic U/W Control has returned to the top-tier of Legacy on the wings of a bunch of cheap angels and one-mana Wraths of God! And bringing Counterbalance with it, for those of us who missed that other bastard too.
    Miracles has been the thorn in the side of Legacy since 2012 and the printing of Terminus. Nearly five years. It was kicked out for a month in Feb 2014, and since then was always the #1 or #2 DTB based on the formulas in the thread. I think prior to that it shared some metagame with Blade Control.
    Quote Originally Posted by Acclimation View Post
    I about died from laughter when I was watching my feature match and the commentators called Tinfins a difficult and challenging deck.

    I'm not saying it's the easiest deck to play, but the plan is so linear that I could probably get white girl wasted and still beat people with the deck.
    Quote Originally Posted by maharis View Post
    Imagine the trauma of a man who has seen Mom into Crusader enough to mainboard three Cabal Pits.

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