Andrea Mengucci proposes his straight UB Reanimator list here.
Still don't get why he chose to relegate Iona in the sb... I mean, free wins are free wins. Some sideboard choices are questionable but the Archetype is an interesting one, even if it represents a slower clock than the Leviathan.
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Originally Posted by phazonmutant
The list is pretty stock.
As for the choice of Iona in the SB, I believe that Elesh Norm Main can give just as many free-wins, depending on what the decks you end up being paired against.
Am not a huge fan of Archetype of Endurance but the fact that it protects the other fatties you can cheat later on is still a very strong plus for this creature, despite an overall slower clock.
Given Elves positioning in the current meta, it should probably be maindecked.
By "it" you mean Elesh, right? Or Iona? I cannot really tell from the wording.
Yes, Elesh "the walking Massacre" Norn.
She's also a house against the current bumper crop of Deathrites, Delvers, YP + it's tokens, and D&T hatebears (not to mention most Dredge creatures and zombie tokens, most Goblins, Empty the Warrens tokens, etc.)Yes, Elesh "the walking Massacre" Norn.
I mostly field BR in which my creature suite is 4 Chancellor, 3x Grisel, 1 Iona, 1 Elesh, and 1 Archetype main, with a Tidespout and a Blazing Archon in the board for Lands/Depths and Eldrazi/Sneak/Omni decks respectively. I sometimes run the Tidespout main and dump either Iona or Elesh, but lately Elesh is indeed worth having. Iona is great against the ever-popular Burn in the online meta tho. Not sure what is optimal.
I know it was discussed a while back, but I'd be loathe to play 4 SnT in the 75 and not have any City of Traitors. I'm kinda high on City in general right now with so much Delver bouncing around, it's a decent way to help power your spells through their wall of soft permission.
From nothing came teeth.
I believe there's a lot to be gained versus little lost by swapping one Gris for an Iona in Mengucci's list. Iona basically instant-wins game One versus ANT, Elves, Burn, probably Infect, usually Show and Tell, and the list goes on. I guess the justification is probably the number of Grixis decks running around, where Iona is lacklustre and Griselbrand is stellar.
Played in my local legacy event last night with my updated list, 12 players. 3-1 record.
Round 1: Elves (2-1)
Round 2: BR Reanimator (1-2)
Round 3: Sneak and Show (2-1)
Round 4: BR Reanimator (2-1)
Updated list:
4 Polluted Delta
2 Marsh Flats
1 Flooded Strand
4 Underground Sea
3 Swamp
1 Island
3 Griselbrand
1 Grave Titan
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
1 Tidespout Tyrant
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
4 Lotus Petal
4 Careful Study
4 Brainstorm
3 Ponder
4 Force of Will
3 Daze
3 Thoughtseize
4 Entomb
4 Reanimate
4 Exhume
1 Show and Tell
Sideboard
2 Fatal Push
2 Echoing Truth
1 Massacre
1 Dread of Night
1 Sire of Insanity
1 Inkwell Leviathan
1 Blazing Archon
1 Show and Tell
2 Duress
2 Pithing Needle
1 Coffin Purge
The only change I would consider making in the maindeck is taking out a Lotus Petal for the 4th Daze. In the sideboard, the Dread of Night should be the 4th Thoughtseize.
What was the difference between the BR Reanimator matches? Just a die roll or a play style change?
Round 2 I punted by double dazing the wrong time. Round 4 opponent punted by reanimating Chancellor over Tidespout after he discarded both. I got his Tidespout and won
Mengucci's list can't beat a Leyline and seems to go all in on Show and Tell.
I agree that it's a common mistake to not having Iona MB, especially when you are replacing her for a FOURTH griselbrand, which I don't like.
I still play decay because of the flexibility it gets. My meta sometimes becomes to COTV heavy so i like keeping the Serenity and the Teferi's Realm.
About Dread Of Night, I highly advice not to run it. DoN will at best get you a thalia or a mom, thr main issue in the DnT MU is Karakas and Containment priest, which laughs at DoN. A second Massacre or a keranos is going to be infinitely better.
Question for you guys, is it viable to run the deck with fewer than 4 Underground Sea? I've currently got BR Reanimator built and would like to acquire the pieces to have both versions available, but 4 USea is going to be out of my budget for a while. How bad would it be to run just 2? What do you replace the other 2 with, more fetches? More basics? Shocklands?
Thanks!
You wouldn't need 4 to have a competitive list, but 3 is kinda the bare minimum of Underground Sea for the deck. I wouldn't play Watery Grave since the deck is pretty life sensitive already between Thoughtseize and Reanimate (and Griselbrand activations). A Darkslick Shores would probably be fine, or another fetch.
From nothing came teeth.
I'm not sure why you wouldn't like DoN over Massacre against DnT. Obviously at sorcery speed Massacre is better but containment priest is always going to happen at instant speed if you play against a good player. By then you already lost both a reanimation spell and target. At least with DoN you can proactively slow down the game to the point where they have nothing they can attack you with or force their very few 2/2s to become vulnerable on the board and buy yourself about 5-10 turns. It's not like a serious player would keep disenchant effects against us (if they do that's a really bad call anyway).
I understand the strenght of Massacre against a wider range of decks since it hits all creatures but I believe DoN is much better based solely on that matchup. I do believe however that DoN needs to be played in pair so that you may possible nullify all x/2s and lower by stacking them.
And about Keranos, now that the number of white decks is at an all time low, is it even worth running anymore?
I thought Keranos was tech against Miracles because it dodged swords but also dodged Terminus, something Inkwell was dead to.
If it's just D&T giving you problems, they are really hard to beat Inkwell.
Problem with inkwell is it gets race by batterskull. I've lost too many games to batterskull this way to count. It's hard to get there with just one creature, but griselbrand is usuallly still your best bet postboard. if they karakas it you can still draw into needle and reanimator another fatty.
If they are deploying it at instant speed to my reanimation target then you can just Force it. Or, just simply reanimate Keranos which dodges Containment Priest completely. Against DnT my usual plan is to make Griselbrand get gas so I can deploy either a Tidespout Tyrant or a Grave Titan with Forces to protect them against swords. Post board, Pithing Needle of course makes everything a bit easier.
My list so far is:
1 Bayou
3 Underground Sea
1 Tundra
1 Island
2 Swamp
4 Polluted Delta
2 Flooded Strand
1 Bloodstained Mire
4 Lotus Petal
3 Ponder
4 Brainstorm
4 Careful Study
4 Entomb
3 Daze
4 Force of Will
2 Thoughtseize
2 Show and Tell
4 Reanimate
4 Exhume
1 Animate Dead
3 Griselbrand
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
1 Tidespout Tyrant
1 Grave Titan
Sideboard:
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Serenity
1 Echoing Truth
1 Keranos, God of Storms
2 Thoughtseize
2 Show and Tell
1 Swan Song
1 Teferi's Realm
2 Pithing Needle
1 Spell Pierce
1 Massacre
Last edited by owerbart; 05-30-2017 at 08:44 AM.
Nice spice in the sideboard!
Hi fellow necromancers, I won the Argentinian Legacy League last saturday!
After scoring points since the start of the year, I qualified in 3rd place for the final top 8 (90% of the time I played Reanimator)
Top 8 vs UR delver.
G1 i mull to 6 with no lands but two petals. By the time I can assemble the combo, he has plenty of permission :(
-1 thoughtseize, +1 show and tell, -1 tidespout tyrant, - 1 reanimate, + 2 decay -1 Griselbrand +1 Swan Song
G2 i have plenty of land but no combo. I decay his delver and we play draw go (he lands two cages) until i hardcast a Grave titan. He had fluster and pierce! He fireblasts+ bolts it but the two tokes get there just in time!
- 1 daze, + 1 thoughtseize.
G3 he opens with delver, my t1 attempt meets his FoW. I set up a t3 with discard backup :)
Top 4 vs death and taxes.
G1 he goes plains, go. I play u. Sea and pass. His t2 revoker i respond with entomb+ daze. My t2 grisel sticks as he can't find a karakas, and I force his plow.
-2 daze, -2 thoughtseize, +1 massacre, + 2 decay, +2 pithing needle, + 1 keranos, -1 animate dead
G2 he again goes plains go. I have t1 gris (FoW for his Surgical) and a t2 Keranos
Finals vs Bant Deathblade.
G1 i mull to 6 with only basic island. His t1 thoughtseize takes my reanimate, and although he doesn't have much permision it's like turn 4 when i finally reanimate something with a jace staring down.
G2 i have t1 thoughtseize into t2 combo... If i draw a second manasource. I dont :( so in his t2 i force a duress, he forces back. i force again. I entomb, he ponders, shuffles, and he doesn't draw interaction for my next turn reanimate!
G3 he goes trop shaman go. I ponder. He plays land and passes. T2 i go land, petal, show and tell. He casts containment priest. I force. He flusterstorms... But every copy onto the force, maybe looking to get some value from my SnT... Flusterstorm resolves... But my second FoW gets through, Iona comes down... And she gets the win and the league!
I played the same exact 76 as in my last post.
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