Farm to Market is really good. Removal that lets you dig / use a discard outlet...Originally Posted by Darkenslight
5 new cards:
Cast Farm
Cast Market, draw 2 cards, discard a Farm // Market
Cast Market, draw 2 cards, discard a Farm // Market.. etc
I, for one am not a fan of holding up three mana in hopes that my opponent attacks or blocks. And only after that event can I use the second ability. None of these aftermath cards are looking strong yet.
"Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job."
"Politicians are like diapers. They should be changed often and for the same reason."
"Governing is too important to be left to people as silly as politicians."
"Politicians were mostly people who'd had too little morals and ethics to stay lawyers."
Or for 1RB it lets you return a Pyromancer back to play, and make a hasty 3/1 token. The interaction with Snapcaster Mage is pretty sweet too, as reanimating a creature that lets you flashback a spell is just CA+++. Having a 1R pump spell sitting around in your GY waiting for you to slam down a Gurmang Angler or whatever is great as well. Almost like a pseudo-Lava Spike but better in some cases. Yes, depending on sorcery speed flashback in a field of DRS sucks, but between holding onto priority and blowing DRS up because you are on Grixis anyways, I think that's fine.It reads, ": Return target Tarmogoyf or Deathrite Shaman from your graveyard to the battlefield." I'd say that's a little good.
tl;dr- a potentially great card for Grixis.
Their reluctance to put instant effects into the graveyard has certainly hurt the versatility on some of these cards.
Good point, I think you are correct.. I still love the card in limited / draft though.
Something I didn't realize is that the Hellfire or whatever card makes you repeat the process X times, not perform the action X times.
So BB gets you 3 life/1 sac/discard,
1BB gets you 6 life/2 sacs/discard,
2BB gets 9 life/2 sacs,
etc.
I'm sure you are reading it wrong, Claymore.
"Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job."
"Politicians are like diapers. They should be changed often and for the same reason."
"Governing is too important to be left to people as silly as politicians."
"Politicians were mostly people who'd had too little morals and ethics to stay lawyers."
Seems Wizards goes with this interpretation:
Pretty sure the literal grammar would be to perform the action, then do it again X times. Similar to Forbidden Ritual and Kindle the Carnage, which force you to perform the action at least once.Melissa DeTora @MelissaDeTora
Torment of Hailfire: Do the thing X times. Not X+1. #mtghou #wotcstaff
Repetition is ambiguous.
If you bring back Pyromancer with Claim//Fame there will be no elemental token to target with Fame side. Pyro targeted generates the 1/1 and then Pyro becomes a 4/1 haste.
BB gets you a fat load of nothing. It would work the way you propose if it was worded like this:
"Each opponent loses 3 life unless that player sacrifices a nonland permanent or discards a card.
Repeat the process X times."
This way, you do a thing, then start repeating it.
However, the syntax isn't like that:
"Repeat the following process X times.
Each opponent loses 3 life unless that player sacrifices a nonland permanent or discards a card. "
The actual wording first specifies the number of times you do the process, and only then specifies what the process is in the first place. Nothing has been done yet before the until-X loop starts.
They shouldn't have worded it that way if they didn't want tk have it functionally be X + 1. If you pay 1 you repeat the process 1 time, so doing it once doesn't make sense because you haven't repeated anything.
This might be one of those times when we just have to wait for the prerelease FAQ to come out?
Deltora already mentioned on Twitter to clarify the intent of the wording. It's a poorly worded card that will have Gatherer to clear it up.
I used Torment of Hailfire tonight, and I have to say that it may be worth looking at for more than just EDH. The fact that opponents can not sacrifice lands makes all the difference. Not sure what we have here, but in EDH at least (what I tried it in) it was a bomb every single time I cast it. Too bad Elves can't tutor for it or it would be a fabulous card there.
"Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job."
"Politicians are like diapers. They should be changed often and for the same reason."
"Governing is too important to be left to people as silly as politicians."
"Politicians were mostly people who'd had too little morals and ethics to stay lawyers."
it pairs really well with liliana of the veil. i'm sure it could see play in a pox style deck, or maybe something with ramp? grim monolith, lake of the dead, or even something like a nykthos or coffers deck.
-rob
In EDH where everybody has 40 life it seems even worse. It's just a Browbeat with a slightly different card advantage mode:
(Edit: the following points pertain to legacy or any other normal constructed format in case that wasn't clear originally)
- If you put it in an aggressive build as a burn spell you won't have mana to cast it for large X in the first place and your opponent will gladly trade cards with you to save themselves from damage.
- If you put it in an attrition/control deck as a card advantage engine your opponent won't be under much pressure and will choose to take the damage to have you minus-1 yourself
- If you put it in an attrition/control deck as a finisher (ie. you try to cast it for a large X in the lategame when your opponent has no/few cards) then is it really better than Grave Titan or Ob Nixilis or something that deals potentially unlimited damage and also stabilizes the board.
Last edited by kombatkiwi; 06-25-2017 at 09:29 AM.
In EDH it competes with Exsanguinate. If you are heavy black and run cabal coffers/nykthos you should run both. If you dont want both you need to decide if you want lifegain or X*3.
You are right everybody has 40 life, imho this means that its justified to run over the top X spells and not cards like lightning bolt...
“Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.
Sure, if you are in magical christmas land scenarios where you are casting this for like X=10+ I guess it's fine but that obviously isn't a consideration for legacy and even in EDH depending on the level of playgroup you have it isn't very good either. At least lightning bolt stops you from dying to Edric/Arcum/Yisan etc...
Actual Suicide Black card, if the translation is true:
Ammit Eternal
Creature — Zombie Crocodile Demon (Rare)
afflict 3
Whenever an opponent cast a spell ,put a -1/-1 counter on ~.
Whenever ~ deal combat damage to a player ,remove all -1/-1 counters from it.
5/5
Just look at that creature type line. Isn't that one of the best type lines you've ever seen? :D
Totally want to build a Grixis deck that Claim to Fame's a Jace, VP.
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