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I would go with Cabal Therapy.Originally Posted by CptHaddock
Good Race betweeen Chalice, Vial and Wasteland I would say
We could just ban all 3 and then we could all play the same deck.
-rob
It's either ancient tomb or city of traitors :)
Without this acceleration a whole lot of decks would not be playable and these decks make you miserable by either dropping a flying nearly hexproof monster very early or a lock piece like blood moon or chalice on T1.
What did i won?
Jesus fucking Christ, you know there are people who play non-blue, non-chalice decks right? We aren't miserable, not by a long shot. I might be a loser for playing Depths, Rock, Deadguy Ale, Nic Fit, and janky homebrews, but for fucks sake, I'm not miserable. The only demographic that really thinks Chalice is miserable is the hyper-efficient blue crew.
By unplayable I think you are implying 'not competitive'. That might be true of non-chalice, non-blue decks, but this is a game of choice. If winning were the only motivation for playing we'd all be BlueButtholes that shit all over the best part of the game: self-expression.
Have a nice day. I'll be over here drinking coffee, messing with my unplayable chunderbucket decks, in my not-so-miserable life.
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I think they should ban Delver of Secrets.
Reasoning and goals?
If helping non-blue midrange is the goal I think Snapcaster and TNN hurt them much more (soon maybe Leovold again)
Delver is obviously more ubiquitous than either Snapcaster or TNN, but MorphBerlin is correct.
Swords-Snap-Swords, Bolt-Snap-Bolt, and even Ponder-Snap-Ponder allows blue decks to use their resources far more liberally than they could in the past. Many attribute Delver to the downfall of a deck like Zoo, but it was really Snapcaster generating an insane amount of value.
TNN is a truly embarrassing design. At least if it were a Merfolk exclusive card by giving it an ability like "You can't cast TNN unless you control a Merfolk" it would be reasonable. The fact that fair non-blue midrange and aggro decks can't even block a blue creature while that creature trades with nearly every fair creature in the format holds back a fair amount of strategies.
This is the major issue with giving blue the best/better midrange and control threats: the opportunity cost to playing Force of Will goes down dramatically. The same blue spells have always been played, but blue decks still need a minimum number of blue spells to actually play Force. When blue creatures become that much better than non-blue ones, it's easy to jam Force into your maindeck.
Delver was the end of Zoo, because you no longer had to choose between running the blue shell OR a quick aggro deck.
The problem with TNN, Snapcaster & Co was, that they gave the blue tempo decks tools to "go big" and become very successful in the midrange slice of the field, pushing out classic midrange decks like Maverick. It didnt help that Shardless Agent and SFM were chopping in the same notch.
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I wasn't insulting any of the decks you listed. (In fact, I think a lot of brews don't get the credit they deserve.) I just find it funny that someone called Brainstorm a crutch when there are plenty of decks that absolutely have to slam a different, specific card in the first couple of turns to function against the field, and that card happens to be really obnoxious.
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Fair statement, but I have the sense you were thinking of a specific card based on how you worded the statement. Someone intimated it was Chalice, although you never revealed the specific one it was (hint: it's not blue.)
Is there any deck in legacy without a crutch though? Aether Vial (D&T), Brainstorm (Tons), Chalice(Red/Steel/Eldrazi Stompy), Dark Ritual (Storm), Entomb (Reanimator). Legacy decks are built around broken shit, there's no way around it. Long story short, if I understand your intent correctly, I agree that it's foolish to call Brainstorm a crutch. Every legacy deck has a crutch, a fundamental card or interaction that makes it work.
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I close my eyes and sink within myself, relive the gift of precious memories, in need of a fix called innocence. - Chuck Shuldiner
Haha, that's a much better point than either of us who were pointing fingers at cards was making.
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Why? At least when my opponent casts Cabal Therapy with a non veteran explorer deck I might have a fun an interactive game. With veteran explorer I know that I 100% will not enjoy a 30 minute grindfest against someone who can barely afford dual lands and believes that their deck can cast a 10 mana 8/8.
Hate those people
Btw, legacy is really great now!
I play burn. Chalice is pretty miserable there too.
Burn is polarizing; it's either miserable or fucking incredible. There is no in-between, and the meta-game decides that for you (unfortunately.) Cross your fingers and hope for Pox and Rug Delver each round.
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I close my eyes and sink within myself, relive the gift of precious memories, in need of a fix called innocence. - Chuck Shuldiner
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Guillotines are cheaper than duals. Pass it on.
...I didnt realise anyone hated nic fit.
Good Nic Fit decks play reasonable cards, the archetype just attracts a lot of people who don't really understand what is and isn't playable in the format.
Great news for you though, if the deck is designed poorly you'll win most games.
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