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    UW Emry Ravager

    This deck plays surprisingly fluent.
    It has multiple win avenues and has plenty of answers.
    Unsure about the Dispatches w Emry, but what else ?
    SB WIP.

    //CC0 - 4
    4 Mox Opal

    //CC1 - 18
    4 Myr Servitor
    4 Esper Sentinel
    4 Dispatch
    2 Portable Hole
    1 Soul-Guide Lantern
    1 Shadowspear
    1 Hope of Ghirapur
    1 Animation Module
    1 Aether Spellbomb

    //CC2 - 15
    4 Smuggler's Copter
    4 Arcbound Ravager
    4 Ethersworn Canonist
    2 Sword of the Meek

    //CC3 - 4
    4 Emry, Lurker of the Loch

    //Lands - 19
    4 Urza's Saga
    4 Seat of the Synod
    4 Ancient Den
    3 Flooded Strand
    3 Tundra
    1 Plains
    Last edited by Borg; 07-30-2023 at 03:14 PM.

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    Re: UW Emry Ravager

    No Thopter Foundry?

    It combos with Sword of the Meek, and Myr Servitor to a lesser extent.

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    Re: UW Emry Ravager

    It's a possibility but it overlaps very much with Animation Module, I think
    and AM has the advantage that it can be tutored up, has no sac restriction and can use up all your mana every turn.

    TF has the advantage that it can operate independently ( no need for Ravager )
    Would you take out the 4th Canonist for it ?

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    Re: UW Emry Ravager

    Thopter Foundry is a 2-card combo, while the Animation Module combo with Sword needs 3 pieces (or just Ravager). Imho they don't overlap.

    It's a separate combo in case your 1 Module is killed (high chance), it has synergy with other cards (Retrofitter Foundry!) and makes flying tokens on its own.

    I'd cut Myr Servitor. I tried to make that card work 10 years ago and was always disappointed. It's so bad with 1 copy, and you can't guarantee drawing 2-3 early.
    Last edited by FTW; 08-01-2023 at 06:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTW View Post
    I'd cut Myr Servitor. I tried to make that card work 10 years ago and was always disappointed. It's so bad with 1 copy, and you can't guarantee drawing 2-3 early.
    Well, you can search it with Saga but that doesn't seem like a great plan either.
    Probably more effective in confusing your opponent than anything else.

    Do you really need 4 copters?
    Seems a bit excessive.

    I would consider at least 1 The Ozolith to collect counters from dying Ravagers.
    Also searchable with Saga.

    Thought Monitor might be good for refueling, but then you're almost an affinity deck.

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    Re: UW Emry Ravager

    I'm aware the Servitor is not a Tier 1 creature but in my (limited) experience he seems to hold up.
    - He's a Thopter pilot
    - ideal to discard after thopter attack/defense draw
    - free +1/+1 counters for Ravager every turn
    - Thopter and Emry help significantly in finding multiple copies
    - Artifact to (potentially) trigger mox opal T1

    @Zoid
    I already mostly answered your question with the above points.
    I like 4 copies because
    - I want to have one in play as soon as T2 so it can start filtering the deck
    - it can put the opponent on a clock ( hereby helping Ravager out from being the only creature to do this )
    - it can possibly force your opponent to use his removal spells on the copter, hereby giving Ravager more survival chances.
    - more copters = more beatdown, better defense, more deckfiltering.

    I didn't include Ozolith because I figured the deck may have too few creatures with counters on it to make it very useful but trying it out wouldn't hurt ;)

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    Re: UW Emry Ravager

    Yeah, I can see Servitor's uses.

    If you have only 1 copy, another 1cmc like Hope of Ghirapur is better (great with Emry!). Hope does the same things like piloting Copter & early Metalcraft.

    If you find multiple copies of Servitor, you can threaten to add counters to Ravager every turn, but it takes a multi-card combo over many turns and can be disrupted by removal or grave hate. Compare that to newer cards like Retrofitter Foundry and Sai, Master Thopterist and you realize you don't need to recur vanilla 1/1s from your graveyard when a single card can make many 1/1 tokens AND do other things too.

    I tried to make Servitor + Ravager work a long time ago when Legacy was a slower & weaker format. It was cute sometimes when everything went perfectly, but usually came up short for the reasons above.

    Feel free to test it out and try against more opponents. Sometimes it does cool things. But when you look at the cards & tempo spent on it and how easily it's disrupted... then compare to what a single copy of Retrofitter or Sai can do...

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    Re: UW Emry Ravager

    Points all taken to heart.

    The reason I omitted Sai is because of the Danger of him just getting into GY after Emry entering BF.
    To somehow solve that, I'd have to play multiples. Possible.
    With Sai in there, Retrofitter is a must have too.

    Servitor and Sword could make room for it.

    I've tried 4xHope + Emry before with mixed results.
    It can be very strong (vs low creature decks) but also pretty weak (vs high creature decks), so I opted for one, to have it available but not clutter the deck.

    With your helpful support I've got to this point so far

    //CC0
    4 Mox Opal
    2 Hangarback Walker

    //CC1
    4 Esper Sentinel
    4 Dispatch
    2 Portable Hole
    1 The Ozolith
    1 Soul-Guide Lantern
    1 Shadowspear
    1 Retrofitter Foundry
    1 Hope of Ghirapur
    1 Animation Module
    1 Aether Spellbomb

    //CC2
    4 Smuggler's Copter
    3 Ethersworn Canonist
    4 Arcbound Ravager

    //CC3
    4 Emry, Lurker of the Loch
    3 Sai, Master Thopterist

    //Lands
    4 Urza's Saga
    4 Seat of the Synod
    4 Ancient Den
    3 Tundra
    3 Flooded Strand
    1 Plains

    //Sideboard
    3 Ratchet Bomb
    3 March of Otherworldly Light
    1 Ethersworn Canonist
    1 Soul-Guide Lantern
    1 Pithing Needle

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    Re: UW Emry Ravager

    That looks good.

    Hangarback Walker has great synergy with your cards (Ravager, Ozolith, Retrofitter Foundry, Sai). You could even consider more copies.

    You asked about Dispatches earlier. It's probably too weak. You could just play Swords to Plowshares or Prismatic Ending (2 colors in the deck with 3rd possible from Opal).

    Edit: 1 Hope + 4 Ethersworn seems fine. Legacy has a lot of spell-heavy decks. Even aggro decks like Grixis Delver. These decks pack a lot of interaction. You're not at risk of having "too many" pieces, especially when they are creatures that can attack.

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    Re: UW Emry Ravager

    Quote Originally Posted by FTW View Post
    You asked about Dispatches earlier. It's probably too weak. You could just play Swords to Plowshares or Prismatic Ending (2 colors in the deck with 3rd possible from Opal).
    I figured since I get to 3 artifacts no later than T2 and often T1, Dispatches were preferable over StP.
    Using Prismatic Ending instead opens up your possible targets but what about let's say a T1 Griselbrand ?

    Edit : upped Walkers to 2.

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    Re: UW Emry Ravager

    Quote Originally Posted by Borg View Post
    I figured since I get to 3 artifacts no later than T2 and often T1, Dispatches were preferable over StP.
    Using Prismatic Ending instead opens up your possible targets but what about let's say a T1 Griselbrand ?

    Edit : upped Walkers to 2.
    Yes, sometimes you have 3 artifacts on turn 1-2. What about the other times? What if opponent disrupts you?

    Dispatch will often miss things like turn 1 Griselbrand or turn 2 Marit Lage (do you have 3 artifacts AND white mana open on T1-T2?). Dispatch is slow if you open on Tundra instead of Ancient Den. Dispatch can also be countered by opponent killing your 3rd artifact in response (Force of Vigor, Boseiju, Lightning Bolt, Abrade, Disenchant, Petty Theft...). Dispatch is awkward if opponent just cast Meltdown on your board. Dispatch has conditions. StP always kills it.

    Prismatic Ending could replace March of Otherworldly Light because you can make 3 colors of mana and you don't have that many white cards. March is better for decks that have many white cards but can't make many colors of mana.

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    I would put in about 2-3 Ratchet, Field Medic. Plays nice with ravager. I'd also include 1 Implement of Improvement as a Saga tutor target (mini combo with Ratchet).
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