[Deck] Deadguy Ale (B/w Confidant)

[Seraphim]

If everyone is extremely worried about Hulk-Flash, I would advocate the following changes to my list:

Current Pikula:

4 Dark Confidant
3 Nantuko Shade
3 Hypnotic Specter
2 Jotun Grunt
2 Rotting Giant

4 Duress
4 Hymn to Tourach
2 Sword of Fire and Ice
2 Swords to Plowshares
4 Vindicate
3 Engineered Plague
4 Dark Ritual

4 Wasteland
3 Bloodstained Mire
3 Polluted Delta
4 Scrubland
2 Godless Shrine
1 Flagstones of Trokair
5 Swamp

sb:
4 Dystopia
2 Withered Wretch
1 Engineered Plague
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
1 Darkblast
3 Null Rod
2 Disenchant
1 Serenity

Changes:
-2 Jotun Grunt
+1 Rotting Giant
+1 Nantuko Shade

-2 Swords to Plowshares
-1 Engineered Plague
+3 Leyline of the Void

Sb:
-2 Withered Wretch
+1 Leyline of the Void
+1 Engineered Plague

[rsaunder]

Is there really any reason to run only 3 MB leyline? It strikes me that if that's all we have game 1 against huly flash, it ought to be a 4-of. It's also one of those cards that's just better as a 4-of.

[Hummingbird TG]

I would run 4, but I can't find what to cut for it at the moment. I guess I could go down to 22 non ritual mana sources, though...

[Zilla]

Leyline + Jotun Grunt ≠ synergy.

[Hanni]

While I agree that Leyline + Grunt = bad synergy, it really doesn't matter vs Hulk. Grunt still has your own yard to feed from, and Leyline is one of the strongest answers to Hulk. However, I wouldn't run them maindeck... especially not against pre-FS Hulk Flash. Deadguy is already one of the best decks the format currently has for beating Hulk Flash, so I really think Leyline MD is going overboard. While I'd consider running them MD after FS, I really don't think they are necessary for beating the pre-FS version. Put them in your sideboard.

[Hummingbird TG]

I do mean the Post FS version. It is a pity I can't go for the GP, I would like to be able to play some proper Legacy before stupid combo decks ruin the format.

[Hummingbird TG]

My post FS build(Not relevant to the GP):

Mana

4 Dark Ritual
4 Chrome Mox
4 Scrubland
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Polluted Delta
5 Swamp

Creatures

4 Dark Confidant
4 Hypnotic Specter
4 Phyrexian Negator
3 Mesmeric Fiend
3 Jotun Grunt

Other

4 Duress
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Hymn to Tourach
3 Umezawa's Jitte
2 Unmask


SB [15]

4 Dystopia
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Cursed Scroll
4 Leyline of the Void

Card Choices:

Dystopia - beats the Fish/Hulk Flash hate decks.

[Citrus-God]

Here's mine for the GP. If I'm going, I know I will play Bw Confidant...


// Mana 22
4 Chrome Mox
4 Wasteland
2 Bloodstained Mire
2 Polluted Delta
3 Windswept Heath
1 Underground Sea
1 Tundra
2 Scrubland
1 Plains
2 Swamp


// Creatures 17
3 Savananh Lions
3 Isamaru, Hound of Konda
4 Meddling Mage
4 Dark Confidant
3 Jotun Grunt


// Spells 22
4 Duress
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Stifle
3 Extirpate
4 Unmask
3 Umezawa's Jitte


// Sideboard 15
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Engineered Plague
4 Vindicate
2 Trickbind
1 Extirpate


So here's the thing... it's Therapy and Mage based.


Discard + Therapy and Mage = Win against Flash
Any discard spell + Extirpate = Another win

I re-did the whole deck. I just want to keep them from finding outs really. Extirpate is actually good for once, but it's narrow. If it wasnt for
Hulk Flash, I wouldnt have built a deck entirely based on limiting their options.

Old philosophy: Win small with marginal effects and win conditions
New philosophy: Limit options and winning with marginal win conditions

[Hummingbird TG]

Personally I prefer going for a build more heavy in Black so I can use Dystopia to ruin the other Fish decks real bad.

[Citrus-God]

Personally I prefer going for a build more heavy in Black so I can use Dystopia to ruin the other Fish decks real bad.

Actually... I will consider that idea. I still want to run Jotun Grunt, but the Lions can go. I just want 1c Drops just to make Therapies effective really.


-3 Savananh Lions
-3 Isamaru

+4 Sarcomancy
+2 Carnophage

As for the SB, I might cut Plagues for Dystopia.

[Hummingbird TG]

Cabal Therapy can be mean without one drops...sac a dying Grunt, sac a Confidant killing you?

BTW, any comments on my build?

[Citrus-God]

Cabal Therapy can be mean without one drops...sac a dying Grunt, sac a Confidant killing you?

It's just easier for me to do it early against a deck like Flash.

BTW, any comments on my build?

1. My deck is awfully like yours in a way.
2. I like the direction you're taking. It seems a lot like mine actually.
3. Unmask is busted. Add 2 more in.

[Hummingbird TG]

Unmask AND Chrome Mox AND Dark Ritual? Won't the card disadvantage be a little over-kill or sth?

EDIT: I think I'd stick with 2 Unmasks, cos Unmask Foils are hard to find on ebay...

[Citrus-God]

That sounds reasonable. The reason why I have 8 pitch cards because Confidant usually helps me recover... so yeah.

[Hummingbird TG]

Well, not with 4 Rituals MDed in addition to those.

Anyway, I guess what you're saying makes sense too...With this amount of discard in the deck, I believe it would be much easier to get Confidant to stick. What do you suggest cutting for the Unmasks?

Also, regarding your build: From what I see, your build doesn't have a very fast clock. What do you think of a clock like Negator? Is it too risky or something, or does Grunt work just fine?

[Hummingbird TG]

I find that in my build, Phyrexian Negator hasn't been doing all that well. I generally wish too see more Specters, since once I shred his hand and have a Specter on the board, he's going to have to play all his topdecks, lest get them removed by Specter, so the opponent has no time to rebuild his hand for the Combo.

So, although I once derided it as too slow, what do you guys think of Shimian Specter? On turn 2 you can cast it of a Rit(turn 1, you'd be too busy casting disruption). From then on, it can be better or worse against Specter(better against Combo, IMHO[untested]). It can also be pitched to a Mox or Unmask if you don't need him(e.g. you have multiple Hypnotic Specters in hand, or you can't get 4 mana fast with your hand).

Opinions?

[Citrus-God]

I never really needed Negators since I have a threat coming down anyways, and the excess discard constricts their options. That should buy me enough time to deal 20 damage.

As for the Unmask part, I dont think you need it. You ahve Dark Ritual to power out your big stuff. I have Unmask because I dont play cards like Ritual to power out big stuff, but instead, I slowly play my hand out.

[Hummingbird TG]

What are your thoughts on Shimian Specter in my build? it can be Ritualed out turn 2 after the turn one Discard Spree...

[Citrus-God]

Seems a little hard to power out, but thankfully, we have a ton of disruption to let us go into Turn 3 just to drop this guy on the board.

[Hummingbird TG]

My only problem with Shimian is that he's worse than Specter if they already have no hand, but hey, I wanna play more Specter effects... Is that a correct gameplan?