Umm yah im dead serious. The sui deck i play has great aggro and combo matchups (i splash white for grunt and stp) and 50/50 control. The creatures are big and effective (negator (and for me grunt) for muscle, confidant and hippie to gain card advantage over the opponent, plus the 8 2/2 zombies are pretty nasty when you get 2 or three of them out a game). Hymn to tourach and waste/sink are great disruption pieces plus duress is good against lots of decks. The removal isnt as bad as most would think... smother is great nowadays, snuff out is extremly broken, and now most lists run jittes. Also the deck runs dark ritual to make everything come out faster. The deck is relatively cheap to build and all the time new people come to the thread saying tthat they will be playing the deck.
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Someone with a good build with the black splash?
Good black card: Duress/Cabal Therapy/Planar Void/Dralnu's Crusade (anti Plague)/Snuff Out/maybe Extirpate?
Mvg
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I think minus 3 Tins, +3 Cabal Therapy main. SB would probably something good like this.
1 Cabal Therapy
4 Duress
4 Snuff Out (might be mainable)
4 Planar Void
2 Dralnu's Crusade (may need more, but whatever)
I think I'd go with:
MD: 4 Snuff Out (removing the same things you'd remove for StP in white)
SB: 4 Planar Void
SB: 4 Duress
SB: 4 Cabal Therapy
SB: 3 ? (Perish, Dystopia, Crusade, Goon, Tinkerer, Jitte, Pyro, Chalice, Price, Needle, Brightstone, ...)
SummenSaugen: well, I use Chaos Orb, Animate Artifact, and Dance of Many to make the table we're playing on my chaos orb token
SummenSaugen: then I flip it over and crush my opponent
I think i gonna play this:
3 Snuff Out main
Side:
4 Chalice of the Void
3 Therapy/Duress
3 Planar Void
3 Pyrokinesis
2 Meekstone
Something like this.. (in a meta with not so many Plagues)
Mvg
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Why do you want chalice. It is a great card, but when a lot of your hate costs 1, I don't like it. You have enough discard anyways.
CoV for zero hits Lion's Eye Diamond, Lotus Petal, Chrome MoxOriginally Posted by Jak.
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Wow. I am close minded. Yeah, I wasn't thinking about that. And also, I still think EE or Brightstone Ritual should be SB. I forgot about them in the board I through together. Maybe something like this with 4 main Therapies.
4 Planar Void
2-4 Duress
4 Snuff Out
2 Dralnu's Crusade
2-4 Brightstone Ritual
Brightstone Ritual?? When do you board him in?? Don't play him, you dont need him, play CotV/EE (1 of the 2, which is the best in your meta) their Very good.
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It is actually for EtW. After they EtW for 10, play it. Fun stuff ensues.
Last edited by Nightmare; 09-12-2007 at 03:05 PM.
People bring in ritual against combo decks w/ empty the warrens, so they can proceed to play every goblins in your hand. Also in the black splash sideboard there is an extreme lack of parish in the sideboard, it is very strong against gro, and TARMOGOYF.
Perish is weak.
My current black list looks like this:
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Badlands
1 Taiga
1 Volcanic Island
1 Plateau
1 Mountain
4 Wasteland
3 Rishadan Port
4 Aether Vial
3 Engineered Explosives
4 Goblin Lackey
4 Mogg Fanatic
4 Goblin Piledriver
4 Goblin Warchief
4 Goblin Matron
4 Goblin Ringleader
4 Gempalm Incinerator
2 Siege-Gang Commander
SB:
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Planar Void
4 Snuff Out
3 Pithing Needle
For what it's worth, after a lot of testing, I don't like Duress in Goblins, black or not. It just never feels worth the slot. Therapy, Void, and Needle all pack much more punch for the mana in the correct situations.
Thats a very nice play against EtW, the Brightstone Ritual, also in the mirror :). Is it really good enough to play? (i also will test it)
Mvg
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I tested brightstone ritual maindeck in a goblins list and it worked pretty well. Occasionally it would be dead with hands without one drops but normally it would cast all the relevant goblins in my hand and turn the tide of any opposing aggro matchup instantaniously (God i suck at spelling, did i get that right). My list runs the black splash which seems like the best option with the arrival of tarmogoyf.. The only problem i have with it is the lack of answers to Plauge. Maybe we should splash 2 colors so we can have some good enchantment hate.
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Did anyone think about Goblin Grenade as Goyf solution in MonoR or RG Gobbos? It fits well the aggro part, taking care of big dudes and helping kill the opponent. It also have a nice sinergy with Caller of the Claw, if you play it.
I'm not sure about that, but I'll test it. Did anyone already test that?
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Grenade actually isn't all that bad of an idea. The biggest problem it's going to run into, however, is being countered.
With that said though, most of Threshold's countermagic interestingly doesn't stop Grenade. Stifle doesn't, Snare doesn't, and Daze doesn't. Force of Will does, as does Counterspell for the few who still run it. Counterbalance obviously is a pretty strong problem for it to deal with, but I'm not aware of Threshold decks making a habit of boarding in Counterbalance against Goblins.
There's also the Door in Lorwyn that would just allow Goblins to swing straight into a Tarmogoyf with no fear, but the Door is more susceptible to Snare.
Right, here's a 'Big Goblins'-build I was fooling around with.
Main
12 Mountain
2 Chrome Mox
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Wasteland
4 AEther Vial
2 Stingscourger
2 Goblin Tinkerer
2 Gempalm Incinerator
4 Goblin Lackey
3 Goblin Warchief
4 Mogg Fanatic
4 Goblin Matron
4 Goblin Ringleader
4 Goblin Piledriver
3 Goblin Goon
2 Siege-Gang Commander
Sideboard
SB: 2 Goblin Tinkerer
SB: 1 Goblin Assassin
SB: 3 Anarchy
SB: 4 Chalice of the Void
SB: 3 Brightstone Ritual
SB: 2 Patron of the Akki
I was also considering some Great Furnaces and a singleton Krark-Clan Shaman as an affordable answer to Warrens and a trick in the mirror, as well as unthreshed mongoose-killer, but meh. Note, I went mono-red because I felt like trying to build mono-red for a change. It did great against UGr Threshold. Goblin Goon is seriously huge and Stingscourger has its uses too. Mirror is naturally dicey, but I split about even there. I was thinking a Sharpshooter over a Fanatic, but Fanatic is so sweet against Cephfast... The lower number of Gempalms is just natural since in this meta, you want them midgame, not early on. 22 lands is too few (surprise, surprise), but I couldn't really fit any more. So yea, some kind of Gooned build. They definitely help a lot. Now just to fit them in without raping the rest of the deck. Oh, and I'm pretty happy with Stingscourgers.
I completely disagree with stingscourger over gempalm. The fact that there is an echo on stingscourger just makes him so bad. Sure you can bounce goyf ,but gempalm can kill goyf. Stingscouger does not improve any match-ups that gempalm wouldn't.
While searching for an anti-Tarmogoyf trick, has anyone tried Frenzied Goblin?
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Why not play goblin war strike instead? You could just not care about goyfs and it'll win you some games that you shouldn't.
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