It doesn't work that way. Damage is assigned to creatures in the form of -1/-1 counters.Originally Posted by mujadaddy
But Wither still owns Protection from "color" creatures, right? Like if I had a 2/2 Black creature with Wither, and my opponent had a Pro Black Voice of All, does the Voice of All still die? I think it does, but not sure.
You know how you spot the powerful magic cards?
They're the ones that do things that no other card does.
Granted, prevention of life loss, the non-prevention of damage, and wither are all on other cards, but the combination of all three in one card, for so cheap (seriously, three mana, holy christ) is entirely unique.
Mainboard? No, but it's going to fundamentally alter the sideboarding strategies of quite a few decks.
No. Wither still "deals" the damage, but instead of having 2 points of damage on a creature, there would be -1/-1 counters applied instead.
Aha, "to creatures" ... it's obvious now
Pro: Black prevents the application of the counters in the same way it prevents the damage from black creatures.
That sucks. I know Protection from "color" isn't too prevelant, but it's annoying to be shut down by a single Mother of Runes sometimes.
Right. That was my point.
Probably not because Wither "deals damage"... but the "can't be prevented" might get around that!!!
Ooo, but Everlasting Torment + Pestilence or Flamebreak or whatnot = Good timesTime to make DrySpell.dec!
I was agreeing with you, and clarifying.
...I think the man is right. 'Damage can't be prevented' gets around prevention due to protection, right? I'd look up the relevant rule but I'm at work.
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Wither, in itself, does not circumvent protection from a color. However, Everlasting Torment does.
502.7e Any damage that would be dealt by sources that have the stated quality to a permanent that has protection is prevented.
Correct. Wither by itself won't get around Pro:Color. The above enchantment, however, will.
Yes, it does.
I remember when I used to board Flaring Pain against Moment's Peace. It was tech.
Everlasting Torment doesn't seem that great, it doesn't do anything on it's own for three mana. Unless I'm severely underestimating Wither.
Or we could start building decent manabases. Just saying. Feels like I've said that a lot lately.Also:
Elsewhere Flask
Artifact
When Elsewhere Flask comes into play, draw a card.
Sacrifice Elsewhere Flask: Lands you control become the basic land type of your choice in addition to their other types until end of turn.
Now this is a decent Blood Moon answer for decks with horrible manabases. It can be cast with a Moon in play, you aren't wasting a card on it, then you pop it when you draw the appropriate removal spell.
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I hold the same opinion, and it was implicit in the 'horrible' comment.
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Whither...
...punks Goyf, bad.
...lets direct damage (with Everlasting Torment) kill a Stuffy Doll without triggering the ability(!) (not the best Legacy example, but still, it's a neat trick).
...lets weenies meaningfully gang up on huge monsters from turn-to-turn.
...kills the new Persist mechanic (yeh, yeh).
...is just BETTER than damage with respect to critters. (Didn't WoTC say they wanted to make the combat phase meaningful again?)
Wither might not break the game wide open, but it's a nice new mechanic to have exist.
Man, that Umezawa's Jitte card is fucking trash. It doesn't do anything on it's own.
And Bridge From Below? Fucking christ, you can't even play it.
Oh, and what about Goblin Piledri... wait, nevermind.
Jeez, what an asshole
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