[Discussion] What is the best current combo deck?

[T is for TOOL]

The best current combo deck is going to be the one that puts up the most results at tournaments. Legacy tournaments are few and far between relative to some other formats, so determining this becomes much more difficult. Regardless, creating a 'best out of 15 games on MWS' proves nothing other than everyone involved was in desperate need of ePeen stroking.

This thread is an eyesore.

[Cait_Sith]

Can we get a Threshold player?

As long as we are talking white.

[Bryant Cook]

As long as we are talking white.

Yes, the list posted on the last page.

[Arsenal]

The best current combo deck is going to be the one that puts up the most results at tournaments. Legacy tournaments are few and far between relative to some other formats, so determining this becomes much more difficult. Regardless, creating a 'best out of 15 games on MWS' proves nothing other than everyone involved was in desperate need of ePeen stroking.

This thread is an eyesore.

I wholly disagree. Bryant made the statement that TES has a better blue matchup than FT. emidln disagrees. The only way to settle the disagreement is to have each deck face off against blue based decks (Thresh, Landstill being the specific two both people want to test against). This makes perfect sense and can FINALLY end the argument of, "my deck has a better _____ matchup than yours."

[emidln]

Can we get a Threshold player?

I'd also be interested in testing against UGR CB Thresh, Thrash, and Stax at some point in the future. Also, we need to take notes. These would make an interesting mini article on combo vs control and combo vs aggro-control.

[Bryant Cook]

I'd also be interested in testing against UGR CB Thresh, Thrash, and Stax at some point in the future. Also, we need to take notes. These would make an interesting mini article on combo vs control and combo vs aggro-control.

I just chose the two most widely played versions/colors. I guess we could do that in the future.

[emidln]

I just chose the two most widely played versions/colors. I guess we could do that in the future.

Really? UGR seems to have put the most in top8s every month (excepting one month where there were a million UGW lists, though that doesn't appear to be enough to catch UGR over the year to date). In any event, let's get this on.

[Nihil Credo]

I would recommend, rather than simply 5 pre-board + 10 post, that you do 6 matches at best of three. Not all post-board games are the same, since they are influenced by the result of game 1 in several ways (number of them, who gets to start, risks one is willing to take, etc.)

[Bryant Cook]

I would recommend, rather than simply 5 pre-board + 10 post, that you do, say, six full matches. Not all post-board games are the same, since they are influenced by the result of game 1 in several ways (number of them, who gets to start, risks one is willing to take, etc.)

This seems to be a better idea. Let's keep track of each round on wins also, 2-1, 2-0. ect.

[Jaiminho]

Not only keep track of the results, but also a summarized description of why one won each match or game.

BTW, there can be a better list versus combo than that posted back there. I think Stifle maindeck would be good for this. If by tomorrow UGw thresh pilot is still needed, I'm up for it.

[Bryant Cook]

Not only keep track of the results, but also a summarized description of why one won each match or game.

BTW, there can be a better list versus combo than that posted back there. I think Stifle maindeck would be good for this. If by tomorrow UGw thresh pilot is still needed, I'm up for it.

We have our UGW pilot. Cait Sith. As for the list, we're going for average lists, not list that are 100% combo hate.

[Nihil Credo]

The attempt is to test the decks against as typical a Threshold list as possible, not against the best possible anti-combo list. Otherwise we should play a suicidal UGB with maindeck Counterbalance, Thoughtseize, and Stifle/Waste and learn absolutely nothing from a bunch of 0-2 results.

[Illissius]

I'd also be interested in testing against UGR CB Thresh, Thrash, and Stax at some point in the future. Also, we need to take notes. These would make an interesting mini article on combo vs control and combo vs aggro-control.

Yes, I was about to say this would make an excellent topic for an Unlocking Legacy article, and something I would be actively interested in reading. Make sure to keep the logs.

Goblins would (somewhat obviously) be another noteworthy deck to test against if you guys want to, as I recall the TES partisans asserting that they do better against aggro by virtue of being faster (though I don't remember if the FT people disputed this).

[Bryant Cook]

Yes, I was about to say this would make an excellent topic for an Unlocking Legacy article, and something I would be actively interested in reading. Make sure to keep the logs.

Goblins would also be a noteworthy deck to test against if you guys want to, as I recall the TES partisans asserting that they do better against aggro by virtue of being faster (though I don't remember if the FT people disputed this).

If I lost a round to goblins...I just don't know. It's something like 70-75% for TES. I agree that this would make an interesting game log for an Unlocking Legacy article. Emildn, how about we both take notes and save all game logs. If MWS crashes, restart the game. There's no "Oh. I would've won".

[Michael Keller]

You'll also have the backing of your guinea pigs (sorry, fellas) to help validate your results.

[emidln]

I'm searching through the UGW thread, where did you find that list?

[goobafish]

If you have unbiased pilots piloting the test decks, why dont you have unbiased people picking the lists, doesn't that make sense?

[Michael Keller]

I was referring to the results of the gauntlet testing (if you're referring to me, emidln).

[Bryant Cook]

It was one of the last lists. Page 50 something, it was a MWS model. I swapped a Daze for a 4th top because that'd be better.

[emidln]

I was referring to the results of the gauntlet testing (if you're referring to me, emidln).

I'm sorry, I quoted you when I meant to reply to the thread in general. Sorry about the confusion.

Why not play the same list as posted? I'm sure Adan has a reason for playing the 4th Daze (actually everyone does since everyone that can reasonably support (5c Thresh is the only one that doesn't I believe and that's due to CoB)).