Wouldn't be Smother the better Edict?Originally Posted by klaus
I've done some testing on Vindicates and they're..well, really good. I still doubt they're enough to replace WoG entirely, which is why I added 2 Edicts to the MB. Testing will tell, whether my changes to the officially agreed upon core list marks an improvement or not..
Browsing the webs for inspiration and structuring some brainfarts, I came to the following list:
Uwb Landstill_5.0
4 Standstill
4 STP
4 BS
4 FOW
2 CS
3 Spellsnare.................the CS Snare split seems aight to me.
1 Ponder
3 Vindicate...................multi-purpose thing, pseudo-WoG
2 EE.............................probably should be 3 without WoG?
2 Humility
3 Decree of Justice........considered Elspeth, she needs testing though. Note: Decree enjoys WoG being gone.
1 Crucible
1 Enlightened Tutor........alongside ET#2 (SB) creates a mini toolbox
2 Edict.........................making up for the lack of WoG
(36)
1 Dustbowl
6 Fetch
3 Sea......................I cut the 4th Tundra in favor of the 3rd Sea
1 Scrub
3 Tundra
2 Plains
2 Island
4 Factory
1 Tolaria West
1 Academy Ruins
(24)
SB
4 Mage
1 Halo........................should suffice with 2 ETs
1 Extirpate
2 Relic of Progenitus....I've done little testing with it. Sofar it rocks.
1 Engineered Plague....again. Toolbox.
3 BEB
1 Pithing Needle..........I know. You don't get to see many Needles in LS SBs these days but it's simply one of the best SB cards out there (there are like 100+ good targets) Since I dropped the wish board I have the room to add it as a 1-of.
1 Enlightened Tutor........ Citrus God would agree. hehe.
1 Serenity (?)...............yeah humm. I like it?
Let me know what you think.
Elspeth imo should replace one Decree.
I dislike the E.Tutor in the Mainboard, it could be the third Explosive.
My 2 cents
Agreed.
Agreed.
Sort of agreed.
I don't know about the espeth comment as I havent seen it in action, but the theory behind it makes it worth playing as a 2 of and doj as a 2 of just because its doj.
I realized that as I posted it. I should have gone back and changed so I would look like a retard.
I meant to pithning needle for the survival matchup as well, but forgot.
Co-Founder of Team Awesome - I heard Randy Buehler say a while back that good players give themselves the most number of turns to find the answer.
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Iīm planning on playing Uwb Ls at the two Sideevents of PT Berlin(because I always play LS) and I want to share my list with you:
// Lands
1 [R] Scrubland
4 [ON] Flooded Strand
2 [ON] Polluted Delta
1 [FUT] Tolaria West
1 [TSP] Academy Ruins
4 [4E] Mishra's Factory
1 [MM] Dust Bowl
2 [OV] Plains
1 [U] Underground Sea
3 [UG] Island
4 [A] Tundra
// Creatures
1 [SC] Eternal Dragon
// Spells
4 [AL] Force of Will
4 [MM] Brainstorm
4 [OD] Standstill
2 [JU] Cunning Wish
4 [AT] Swords to Plowshares
3 [FD] Engineered Explosives
2 [TE] Humility
2 [SC] Decree of Justice
3 [DIS] Spell Snare
1 [FD] Crucible of Worlds
2 [REW] Wrath of God
2 [6E] Counterspell
1 [ALA] Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1 [CHK] Sensei's Divining Top
// Sideboard
SB: 1 [6E] Enlightened Tutor
SB: 1 [TSP] Return to Dust
SB: 1 [DS] Pulse of the Fields
SB: 4 [B] Blue Elemental Blast
SB: 4 [ALA] Relic of Progenitus
SB: 4 [CS] Counterbalance
Some explanations: Elspeth is just t3h nutz. He starts winning when the board is empty and continues not loosing when the Opp has got some pressure there. The lonely top is never useless but shines against Decks where you bring in Balance+Tutor like ANT. I expect a lot of AN because of the Hype, but Iīm wondering if balance does the job well enough...
Any suggestions?
Last edited by NQN; 10-29-2008 at 05:30 PM.
Please post a tournament report NQN about your side event. I really like your list. Seems a little packed with 1-ofs, but seems effective nonetheless.
Co-Founder of Team Awesome - I heard Randy Buehler say a while back that good players give themselves the most number of turns to find the answer.
The Source on MTGO - Predator8785 and RockOut
@NQN:
Even with ET (takes too long to set it up) a singleton Top is not enough to run this disruption package successfully. I figure oftentimes you'll find yourself with a topless () CB that just doesn't do its job properly.
On a different note: 4 BEB? I figure Burn can be a pain - but that's when Wish->P.O.T.fields comes in.
I like Relic, too but cutting 1 for a wishable Extirpate seems smart nonetheless.
Remember Extirpate is one of the main reasons the whole Wish thing was established.
Hope that helps.
Klaus
Well, you only have 2 Cunning Wishes and the R/x Beatz matchup is always really close postboard->Without a Wish we usually loose. Blue Blast are so versatile. They come in against any R/x Deck, Goblins and Dragon Stompy. I like multifunctional cards. Thats why I play a Playset. Thats the only SB card which stayed a long time there now. Extirpate isnīt that great anymore, I actually never wish for it. I think cutting it isnīt that bad because against loam&Ichorid Relic is better and I never lost the Mirror until today (you know, eternal players in germany...). Maybe that Counterbalance thing wasnīt that great and I should just try to ignore ANT. What about those changes:
MD
- Top
+Counterspell
SB
-4 CB
-1 Blue Blast/E.Tutor
+3 Meddling mage
+2 Ajani
Greetz,
NQN
PS: Looking forward to meet you in Berlin, Klaus ;)
Me liky :)
-2 Ajani.....................don't forget Ajani is the POTfields of non-Wish-LS.dec
+1 Pulse of the Fields
+1 M.Mage (=4)
Dito!
Why would you play a second PoTf instead of Ajani`? Ajani shines against Loam&Control too. I donīt really get that step ;)
Slight misunderstanding.
It's actually only 1 POTfields or 2 Ajanis (..in a non-Wish version).
Only 1 PotFields seems too random for a no-Wish build. You have to get lucky for have it quickly against burn or Tarmosligh. So I prefer to play Cunning Wish maindeck, or play redundant copies of Ajani or Pulse in the sideboard. Ajani is better for this use, beacuse it is more versatile.
Been running a similar MD since i put up this deck last year, made many changes and always got back to this, i can't help it. Some differences (could be meta calls):
-1 island +1 sea (i think i'll cut the 4th tundra for the 3rd island)
-1 top + 1 counterspell
-1 explo + 1 nevynirral's disk (always needed a mass destruction engine, first i used akroma's vengeance, but disk is recurrable and, if elspeth remains long enough, it's indistructible too. and since the destruction of the disk is not a cost but and effect...we sometimes have the chance to have an every-turn-board-sweeper)
+e tutor as 61st card (this tutor replaces the 3rd wish. in fact, diminishing the number of instants in the board -for mage and halo, due to relevant increasing of combo decks- has brought me to reduce the number of the wishes).
The sb (note that there's no relevant presence of aggro loam) looks like:
1 Potf
1 beb
3 extirpate (should i consider relic? are they good in mirror mathces? does they rock against 3sh? are they worth to replace extirpate in side, if combo spread?)
1 tormod's crypt (e-tutorable: still not convinced to substite it with relic)
1 e tutor (the second, to board in in case of necessity, and whishable)
1 aegis of honor
1 cop red
1 plague (aegis + cop to escape needle against burn, plagye + cop against goblins)
3 mage
2 halo
Suggestions?
Funny, why are you playing black manasources at all? Black got watered down to 0 in your build. And Extirpate was a vital card for the wishboard to win resource-wars against other control-decks and/or aggrocontrol..
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<Der_imaginäre_Freund> props:
Adan for being the NQG God (drawer)
Engineered Explosives? It could be any color, I guess.
Keep moon-walking.
@DuKeLiO,
What you said was exactly what Klaus meant. Just to point it out.
Anyways, how has Elspeth been doing for everyone? Is the split between 2 DoJ and 1 Elspeth good now? For me, I still run WoG so Elspeth seems to be good, but how about for builds that run vindicate instead of WoG (like Klaus')?
I run a 2 DoJ 2 Elspeth split because I was lucky enough to rip one the night before the Hadley in a draft. I didn't cycle decree the entire tournament because Elspeth would come down t4ish and speed up my fairly slow clock. I run 2 WoG main deck and 1 sideboard. It seems to work out just fine. The -8 ability on Elspeth may not seem relevant but in long matches it is a huge breaker in an already solid late game deck.
I run UWg with 2 main deck krosan grip and 1 sb krosan grip.
Co-Founder of Team Awesome - I heard Randy Buehler say a while back that good players give themselves the most number of turns to find the answer.
The Source on MTGO - Predator8785 and RockOut
Well now, I played the following list at the first Sidevent of PT Berlin and went 4-3 which isnīt worth any report at all:
// NAME: uwbcunninglandstill
// Lands
1 [R] Scrubland
4 [ON] Flooded Strand
2 [ON] Polluted Delta
1 [FUT] Tolaria West
1 [TSP] Academy Ruins
4 [4E] Mishra's Factory
1 [MM] Dust Bowl
2 [OV] Plains
1 [U] Underground Sea
3 [UG] Island
4 [A] Tundra
// Creatures
1 [SC] Eternal Dragon
// Spells
4 [AL] Force of Will
4 [MM] Brainstorm
4 [OD] Standstill
2 [JU] Cunning Wish
4 [AT] Swords to Plowshares
3 [FD] Engineered Explosives
2 [TE] Humility
2 [SC] Decree of Justice
3 [DIS] Spell Snare
1 [FD] Crucible of Worlds
2 [REW] Wrath of God
3 [6E] Counterspell
1 [ALA] Elspeth, Knight-Errant
// Sideboard
SB: 1 [6E] Enlightened Tutor
SB: 1 [TSP] Return to Dust
SB: 1 [DS] Pulse of the Fields
SB: 3 [B] Blue Elemental Blast
SB: 3 [ALA] Relic of Progenitus
SB: 1 [CH] Tormod's Crypt
SB: 1 [PLC] Extirpate
SB: 4 [PS] Meddling Mage
Iīll just shortly sumup my matchups and why I lost/won them
R1: Rock - BYE 2-0
R2: Forgot 2-0
R3: "Klaus" with Urw Dreadstill - close match, crucible won both games 2-1
(Best match of the day/tournament for me)
R4: R/w Goblins 1-2 Lost g2 because of missing spotremoval and g3 because of colourscrew after some mulligans.
R5: Survival - BYE 2-0
R6: Ichorid 1-2 G1 is obv, g2 I have 4 Relics and g3 he has Unmask for Tutor, Needle for EE and a turn ~5 kill with me drawing more lands from the top.
R7: Might Quinn - Autoloss 0-2 He just has every of my wincons twice or often.
At the 113 Player tourney at Saturday a friend and I switched our decks so that I played Rgw Zoo and he landstill. I finished 12. with 6-2. How bad is this deck? I just got bad matchups and mirrors. I once lost to burrenton forge tender with nomadn en kor >.<
Well, to sum up:
Props
- Meet a lot of really cool people
- Got about 10 asian cards for landstill
- drunken girls at our hostel
- 2 germans top8 at the mainevent
- Zoo performing better than landstill
- Klaus for winning 30 duals
Slops:
-Ichorid,Quinn and Goblins for beeing asshole decks ;)
- The site for beeing to small
- Zoo
- Klaus for NOT playing the "Win a trip to worlds" Sealed which was 4free!
Greetings,
NQN
Last edited by NQN; 11-03-2008 at 02:13 PM.
This is the list I ran at the last Hadley Event:
// Deck file for Magic Workstation (http://www.magicworkstation.com)
// Lands
4 [ON] Flooded Strand
3 [UNH] Plains
3 [B] Tundra
3 [TE] Wasteland
2 [UNH] Island
2 [B] Tropical Island
1 [TSP] Academy Ruins
1 [AQ] Mishra's Factory (1)
1 [AQ] Mishra's Factory (2)
1 [AQ] Mishra's Factory (3)
1 [AQ] Mishra's Factory (4)
1 [B] Savannah
// Creatures
2 [PR] Eternal Dragon
// Spells
4 [FNM] Brainstorm
4 [AL] Force of Will
4 [FNM] Swords to Plowshares
4 [FNM] Counterspell
4 [OD] Standstill
2 [SC] Decree of Justice
3 [FD] Engineered Explosives
2 [PT] Wrath of God
2 [FNM] Fact or Fiction
2 [TE] Humility
2 [TSP] Krosan Grip
2 [ALA] Elspeth Knight-Errant
// Sideboard
SB: 1 [PT] Wrath of God
SB: 1 [TSP] Krosan Grip
SB: 2 [LRW] Ajani Goldmane
SB: 3 [JGC] Meddling Mage
SB: 3 [SHM] Runed Halo
SB: 1 [ARE] Enlightened Tutor
SB: 2 [10E] Crucible of Worlds
SB: 2 [FNM] Tormod's Crypt
I got smashed by Goblins. Hands down smashed. Even post board with Runed Halo and Ajani, granted I never saw four mana in any of my goblin matchups, wasteland ftl. I'll have to add 4x Blue Elemental Blasts for The Mana Leak at the end of the month.
I need help to find a way to either add more blue cards to the main deck or find a better answer than Fact or Fiction (I know, I know). The deck plays so well all the time. I was able to beat Dragonstompy G2 and G3 at Hadley, but scrubbed out losing to two straight goblin decks match 5 and 6. I lost a game with 3x Mishra's Factory and 1x Academy Ruins with all four Brainstorms in my hand. Help me clean up my main board and sideboard. Any advice will help.
Co-Founder of Team Awesome - I heard Randy Buehler say a while back that good players give themselves the most number of turns to find the answer.
The Source on MTGO - Predator8785 and RockOut
Cut Crucibles and the Tormod's Crypts for 3-4 Relic of Progenitus. I'd say turn the SB into
1 Krosan Grip
2 Ajani Goldmane
3 Runed Halo
3 Meddling Mage
3 Relic of Progenitus
3 Hydroblast
If you think about it, every match-up you board Crucible of Worlds in against, you're also boarding Ajani in. The other difference is that Ajani is doing more than Crucible because instead of trying to develop your position you're winning. Also, Avatar tokens are bad ass, and they beat the shit out of Aggro Loam.
Relic is awesome. It nurfs Goyfs and kills Terravores. Also, against Thresh, you don't have to board Humilities out anymore; just board in Halos and Relics and make their Krosan Grips look bad. As the game drags on, the better chance you have of winning because DoJ is just that good. So drop those Halos and Relics and EEs and Humilities and make the whole board gummed up.
Also, WoGs are looking worse and worse. Gaddock Teeg is going to do some damage on you. Which is why Grip, Swords, Halo, Relic, and others are so good.
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