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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopo View Post
    For troublesome enchantments:
    Tranquility
    Hull Breach
    Cleanfall

    Serenity
    bounce

    Serenity is my current favorite, as it is sweet also against chalice/thorn of amethyst/countertop and lets you combo with everything untapped.

    For creatures:
    Deathmark
    Slaughter Pact
    Pyroclasm
    Grapeshot
    (usually not compatible with Canonist)
    The bold cards are the only wisheables which was my original idea.
    Here i found a card that maybe useful for my aims: Gleeful Sabotage
    What do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenCid View Post
    I still have answers about how we deal with enchantmant and creatures:

    Enchantments:
    Pyrostatic pillar
    Rule of law
    Arcane laboratory
    Runed halo
    Worship

    Creatures:
    Ethersworn Canonist
    Gaddock teeg

    What can i do?

    I run a death mark in the SB to wish it, but for enchantments what do you recomend tranquility, hull breach, other???
    These are all sideboard cards, board in your Chain of Vapors and bounce them. Gleeful Sabotage is bad, it gets hit by counterbalance like none other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryant Cook View Post
    These are all sideboard cards, board in your Chain of Vapors and bounce them. Gleeful Sabotage is bad, it gets hit by counterbalance like none other.
    What is your actual sideboard?? Could you explian the why of each one?? Thx!!

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    Re: [DTB] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm

    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenCid View Post
    What is your actual sideboard?? Could you explian the why of each one?? Thx!!
    Bryant kindly posted his current list, it's on the 1st page on this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arsenal View Post
    Bryant kindly posted his current list, it's on the 1st page on this thread.
    Ok!! Thx!! Is vexing shusher really needed if we run 4x chant + 3x pyroblast sb?? Wouldn't it be better if we cut 2 shusher in favour of 2 chain of vapor or +1 pyroblast +1 chain of vapor??

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    Re: [DTB] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm

    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenCid View Post
    Ok!! Thx!! Is vexing shusher really needed if we run 4x chant + 3x pyroblast sb?? Wouldn't it be better if we cut 2 shusher in favour of 2 chain of vapor or +1 pyroblast +1 chain of vapor??
    I would imagine Shusher is there to bolster blue based matchups where CounterTop is keeping you at bay. CoV and Pyro don't do much versus an active CounterTop, but Shusher can realistically turn the tide.

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    Opening post is completely updated. New decklists, links, sample hands, and sample hands for you.

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    Re: [DTB] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm

    Gemstone Mine, Infernal Tutor, Infernal Tutor, Dark Ritual, Lotus Petal, Lion’s Eye Diamond, Burning Wish.
    Play Mine, Petal. Cast Dark Ritual and Infernal Tutor for the second LED. Cast both LEDs and use the mana floating from the Ritual and the Petal to cast Infernal Tutor, cracking both LEDs. Get IGG. Win.

    Brainstorm, Ponder, Lion’s Eye Diamond, Dark Ritual, Infernal Tutor, Simian Spirit Guide, Chrome Mox.
    Mox imprinting Brainstorm, Pomder. Ponder reveals Brainstorm, LED, Burning Wish. Draw the Wish, and put Brainstorm on top of your Library (Don't worry about the LED, as you will Brainstorm into it.). Pass turn. Next turn, Brainstorm into LED and 2 City of Brass. Put back a land and the Wish. Play both LEDs, Ritual, and SSG, Infernal, crack both LEDs, win.

    Ponder, Gemstone Mine, Ad Nauseum, Infernal Tutor, Burning Wish, Ponder, Chrome Mox.
    Personally, I don't like this hand as it doesn't really do much until turn 3 and that is highly dependent of how good your Ponders are.
    I mulled into Burning Wish, IT, City, Mine, Ponder, LED. I started out with Mine, Ponder->Shuffle and draw a Rite of Flame. Next turn, I draw Brainstorm and proceed to Brainstorm into two lands and a Cabal Ritual. Unfortunately, I'm short on initial mana sources so I have to wait until turn three to combo. However, it was definitely a faster kill than I would have gotten with the first hand as my Ponders were awful.

    Burning Wish, Simian Spirit Guide, Rite of Flame, Rite of Flame, Lotus Petal, Chrome Mox, Brainstorm.
    Petal->Brainstorm into Rite of Flame, Dark Ritual, LED. Put back the Mox and the Ritual. Cast 3 Rites off of the SSG and play the LED. Burning Wish for Diminishing Returns floating 3 Red and a Blue. Draw Tendrils, Rite, Rite, City of Brass, Lotus Petal, IT, Brainstorm. Cast Brainstorm and both Rites, cast whatever you can off of the Brainstorm to up the storm count, then play the land and the Petal and cast a massive Tendrils.


    City of Brass, Gemstone Mine, Gemstone Mine, Lotus Petal, Chrome Mox, Ad Nauseum, Chrome Mox.

    This is definitely a mull. If those Moxes were Petals, this would be a keepable hand. Anyway, I mulled into Brainstorm, Petal, 2 Mines, Ad Nauseum and Burning Wish. Brainstorm into LED, Wish, Mox. Here's where it gets techy. Put the Nauseum on top of your library with the Mine under it. Cast LED, Mox with a BWish Imprint and Petal and pass the turn. On your next upkeep, break LED and use 2 of the other sources to add 5 mana to your pool. Draw Ad Nauseum and play it (isn't instant speed great?). I drew too many cards to remember it all, but there was enough initial mana sources to cast Duress, Chant, 2 cantrips and multiple Rites and Rituals.
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    Re: [DTB] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm

    I have asked that question to numerous people and all have said that you can't do that. If you break LED during your upkeep the mana empties at the end of your upkeep. And if you break LED during your drawstep the mana still empties because drawing a card ends your draw step. I know you can't break it during your upkeep but it would make sense if you could break LED with drawing a card on the stack but I still don't think you can do that. Does anyone know if that is accurate?
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    Sorry Pulp Fiction but you are totally mistaken. Mana pools empty at end of Phases, not Steps. Thus you can take your mana from your Upkeep Step to your Draw Step. And second: Your draw step doesnt END once you draw the card but actually really just STARTS after that; you receive priority for the 1st time during your draw step right AFTER you drew the card, nothing you can do about it.

    I really wanna urge you not to trust "numerous" people on rules issues who obviously have no idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryant Cook View Post
    Opening post is completely updated. New decklists, links, sample hands, and sample hands for you.
    Sample hands, and sample hands? You spoil us. Also, Julian23 is right on all counts regarding floating mana from upkeep into draw, and recieving priority during your draw step.
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    Re: [DTB] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm

    sample hands and sample hands for us!

    Sample Hand One:
    Infernal Tutor, Gemstone Mine, Duress, Dark Ritual, Simian Spirit Guide, Rite of Flame, Lion’s Eye Diamond.
    [Keep]
    Gemstone Mine, Dark Ritual, Duress.
    Remove Simian Spirit Guide, Rite of Flame [BBRR].
    Lion’s Eye Diamond, Infernal Tutor. Break Lion’s Eye Diamond [BBBBR]
    Search for Ad Nauseum: Cast it. [Storm 6, 0 Floating]
    Reveal: Simian Spirit Guide, Gemstone Mine, Ad Nauseum, Lotus Petal, Dark Ritual, Infernal Tutor, Cabal Ritual, Chrome Mox, Burning Wish, Lion’s Eye Diamond. STOP.
    Remove Simian Spirit Guide, play Chrome Mox [Imprint: Ad Nauseum], Lotus Petal, Dark Ritual, Cabal Ritual [BBBBBB], Lion’s Eye Diamond, Burning Wish -> Tendrils of Agony.

    Notice: Here, you have a lot of options. I choose the simplest. No need to crack Lion’s Eye Diamond incase they have a Stifle.You could Ill-Gotten Gains loop 3 times for storm, then Grapeshot them (one of my favorites).

    Sample Hand Two:
    Gemstone Mine, Lotus Petal, Infernal Tutor, Infernal Tutor, Lion’s Eye Diamond, Lion’s Eye Diamond, Rite of Flame.
    [Keep]
    Gemstone Mine, Rite of Flame, Lotus Petal, Lion’s Eye Diamond, Lion’s Eye Diamond, Infernal Tutor.
    Search for Ill-Gotten Gains. Cast it. [Storm 6]
    Get back Infernal Tutor, Lion’s Eye Diamond, Lion’s Eye Diamond.
    Cast them all, Tendrils of Agony for 20.

    Sample Hands For You
    Gemstone Mine, Infernal Tutor, Infernal Tutor, Dark Ritual, Lotus Petal, Lion’s Eye Diamond, Burning Wish.

    Brainstorm, Ponder, Lion’s Eye Diamond, Dark Ritual, Infernal Tutor, Simian Spirit Guide, Chrome Mox.

    Ponder, Gemstone Mine, Ad Nauseum, Infernal Tutor, Burning Wish, Ponder, Chrome Mox.

    Burning Wish, Simian Spirit Guide, Rite of Flame, Rite of Flame, Lotus Petal, Chrome Mox, Brainstorm.

    City of Brass, Gemstone Mine, Gemstone Mine, Lotus Petal, Chrome Mox, Ad Nauseum, Chrome Mox.
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    Re: [DTB] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm

    Quote Originally Posted by Julian23 View Post
    Sorry Pulp Fiction but you are totally mistaken. Mana pools empty at end of Phases, not Steps. Thus you can take your mana from your Upkeep Step to your Draw Step. And second: Your draw step doesnt END once you draw the card but actually really just STARTS after that; you receive priority for the 1st time during your draw step right AFTER you drew the card, nothing you can do about it.

    I really wanna urge you not to trust "numerous" people on rules issues who obviously have no idea.
    Awesome, I am glad I know that now. No joke, I would swear I heard one of the people who judges at our local shop say you couldn't do that. Either way I am very happy to be wrong and that isvery useful to know that. It makes Mystical Tutor that much better!
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    Re: [DTB] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm

    Gemstone Mine, Infernal Tutor, Infernal Tutor, Dark Ritual, Lotus Petal, Lion’s Eye Diamond, Burning Wish.
    Gemstone Mine, tap for one black, Dark Ritual, BBB floating, cast Infernal Tutor revealing LED, then cast two LEDs and the Lotus Petal, sac Lotus Pedal and cast Infernal Tutor in which you respond by cracking both LEDs and make a Ill-Gotten Gains loop ftw.

    Brainstorm, Ponder, Lion’s Eye Diamond, Dark Ritual, Infernal Tutor, Simian Spirit Guide, Chrome Mox.
    Cast Chrome Mox imprinting Brainstorm, then cast Ponder off the Chrome Mox and see if you can find any acceleration, Ad Nauseums, or 2c Tutors. If you find acceleration, you combo out using Infernal Tutor. If you find 2c Tutors, you cast the Infernal Tutor in your hand for the 2nd LED, and if you find Ad Nauseum, you just win.

    Ponder, Gemstone Mine, Ad Nauseum, Infernal Tutor, Burning Wish, Ponder, Chrome Mox.
    I'd mulligan this hand; it sucks. I dont need to explain it because White Ghost did it for me.

    Burning Wish, Simian Spirit Guide, Rite of Flame, Rite of Flame, Lotus Petal, Chrome Mox, Brainstorm.
    I'd cast Chrome Mox imprinting Brainstorm, Lotus Petal, remove SSG and cast both Rite of Flames, tap my Mox and Petal for UURRRR floating in which I empty my mana pool to cast Burning Wish -> Diminishing Returns.

    City of Brass, Gemstone Mine, Gemstone Mine, Lotus Petal, Chrome Mox, Ad Nauseum, Chrome Mox.
    I'd mull this band. White Ghost already covered this though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whit3 Ghost View Post
    Ponder reveals Brainstorm, LED, Burning Wish
    Ponder->Shuffle and draw a Rite of Flame.
    Brainstorm into two lands and a Cabal Ritual
    Brainstorm into Rite of Flame, Dark Ritual, LED.
    Brainstorm into LED, Wish, Mox.
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    Gemstone Mine, Infernal Tutor, Infernal Tutor, Dark Ritual, Lotus Petal, Lion’s Eye Diamond, Burning Wish.
    Mine, Petal, Dark Rit (BBB), Infernal Tutor (B) revealing LED, LED, LED, Infernal Tutor breaking LEDs to find IGG, IGG for LED, LED, Infernal Tutor, LED, LED, Infernal Tutor breaking LEDs for Tendrils, Tendrils with 9 storm.

    Brainstorm, Ponder, Lion’s Eye Diamond, Dark Ritual, Infernal Tutor, Simian Spirit Guide, Chrome Mox.
    Chrome Mox imprinting Brainstorm, Ponder looking for a black source (any Land or Lotus Petal). Upon finding a black source play Dark Rit, RFG SSG for R, LED, Infernal Tutor breaking for BBB to find Ad Nauseam. Proceed to draw a billion cards and win.

    Ponder, Gemstone Mine, Ad Nauseum, Infernal Tutor, Burning Wish, Ponder, Chrome Mox.
    For a straight goldfish I'd mull this. If i did keep it, I would lead with Ponder off Gemstone Mine hoping to see two mana sources. As long as you see at least one mana source, you still set yourself up for a turn 3 (maybe turn 2 depending how good the 2nd ponder is) with turn 2 Ponder.

    Burning Wish, Simian Spirit Guide, Rite of Flame, Rite of Flame, Lotus Petal, Chrome Mox, Brainstorm.
    I'd go all in on a Diminishing Returns here. That's RFG SSG for R, play Rite, play Rite, Lotus Petal, Mox imprinting Brainstorm, Diminishing Returns forcing my opp to mull and seeing a new 7 (likely passing the turn) but with a mana source already in play.

    City of Brass, Gemstone Mine, Gemstone Mine, Lotus Petal, Chrome Mox, Ad Nauseum, Chrome Mox.
    I'd have to mull this because in the unlikely chance that you draw another land (the MWS shuffler effect) you end up not doing anything until turn 4 at the earliest on the play (assuming you don't rip another mana source).
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    Re: [DTB] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm

    I did some testing on the Mystical Tutor issue to have statistically provable of what is better in goldfish between Mystical Tutor and Ponder.

    This took me a lot of time, so I'd be glad if someone can help in doing this testing. 20 hands are not much for a statistical prove.

    Conditions:
    - On the play in every hand. This should not modify the results much.
    - All hands are goldfishes.
    - I threw away every hand that did not contain a Ponder/Mystical
    - All hands are preside. Obviously Mystical should be better postside, when it can fetch your sided in bullets.
    - Testing was made with the random hand generator on mws.
    - I took bryant's list on the first page.
    - Every hand that I considered a mulligan was thrown away. However, those hands are listed at the bottom of the post.
    - If there's general consensus a hand should be mulled/played in a different way that hand should be discarded or played in a different way.
    - If there's general consensus a hand should be played instead of be mulled, this hand should be played and should be in testing results.

    This is my testing:
    1- Gemstone Mine, Ad Nauseam, Cabal Ritual, CoB, Ponder, Duress, Duress
    M: Mystical for Dark ritual and combo on turn 2.
    P: Ponder Reveals Chrome Mox, Petal, Wish. Shuffle and draw IT
    Mystical is better

    2- Rite of flame, orim, Mox, 2x Gemstone, Brainstorm, Ponder.
    M: Brainstorm + mystical allows me for a turn 3 AN with zero in pool
    P: I play ponder, then brainstorm. End up with a turn 3 AN with B in pool
    Ponder is better.

    3- CoB, AN, IT, 2xPetal,Wish, Ponder
    M: Mystical for Dark Ritual allows a turn 2 AN with zero in pool
    P: Ponder finds dark ritual+LED, and allows for a turn 2 AN with 3 in pool.
    Ponder is better

    4. Orchard, CoB, Cabal, Orim, Petal, IT, Ponder
    M: Turn 1 nothing, Turn 2 draw LED, Play IT for Led, Mystical in upkeep. Win turn 3 with IGG or AN, at choice.
    P: Ponder reveals LED, Wish, Ponder. Take wish, draw Led, Combo on turn 2 with IGG Loop
    Ponder is better.

    5. D. Rit, CoB, 2x Rite of flame, Mox, Ponder, Brainstorm.
    M: Brainstorm into Rite of flame, Led, Wis. Put back mystical and dark ritual. Returns FTW.
    P:Ponder reveals Burning Wish, Rite of flame, LED. Take led. Turn 2 Draw burning wish. Returns ftw.
    I guess those are the same if you want to play brainstorm first, but with that hand I'd play the ponder first.
    Mystical is slightly better.

    6. Ponder, IT, Cob, Paradise, Brainstorm, Petal, Orim
    M: Brainstorm into LED, LED, AN. Combo turn 2 with IGG or AN.
    P: Ponder into LED, LED, AN. COmbo turn 2 with IGG or AN.
    P=M

    7. Ponder, D.rit, CoB, Rite of flame, Gemstone, Mox, Brainstorm.
    M: Brainstorm into Rite of flame, D.Rit and Petal. Put back 2x rite of flame. Mystical on upkeep for AN, combo on turn 2.
    P: Ponder into Rite of flame, D.rit, petal. Shuffle and draw Paradise. Draw D.rit Brainstorm into nothing and lose. If I played Brainstorm first then Ponder I could combo on turn 7.
    Mystical is better.

    8. 2x D.Rit, duress, petal, Cabal rit, AN, Ponder
    Obviusly combo turn 1 with duress protection.
    M=P

    9. IT, Orim, Ponder, CoB, LED, AN, Duress.
    M: first turn duress, draw brainstorm. Play brainstorm into Gemstone, Crhome, AN. Put AN on top and win with AN on turn 3 or with IGG loop with Mystical for D.Rit.
    P: Same. Win with AN on turn 3.
    Mystical is slightly better cause it allows IGG combo too if you're low on life.

    10: Lotus petal, Ponder, Brainstom, D.Rit, Cabal Rit, Led, IGG.
    M: This hand is keepable. You need to draw a Petal, D.rit, Cabal rit, Led, IT to win, or a land to be in a good position. Draw petal and win on turn 2.
    P: This hand is a mull.
    Mystical was better.

    11: CoB, Petal, 2x Brainstorm, RoF, C.Ritual, Ponder
    M: Play brainstorm into AN, Ponder, Brainstorm. Put back ponder and BS. Mystical for D.rit and combo on turn 3 with AN
    P: Play brainstorm. Put back ponder and BS. Draw Ponder, Play ponder, shuffle and draw IT. Draw Tendrils, play Brainstorm into Mox,Mox Wish. Combo with AN on turn 4.
    Mystical is better.

    12: CoB, Duress, Duress, AN, Brainstorm, Ponder, C.Rit.
    M: Play duress. Draw lotus petal. Mystical for D.Rit and combo on turn 3 with AN.
    P: Play duress. Play Ponder, Draw land, play brainstorm into Mox, IT, Mox. Combo on turn 3 with AN.
    M=P

    13: Gemstone mine, Lotus petal, Orimx2, Ponder, LED, Cabal ritual
    M: Mystical for AN and win on turn 2.
    P: Ponder into SSG, IGG, Rite of flame. Shuffle and draw IGG. Damn. Combo out 4 turns later.
    Mystical is better.

    14: Petal, Cabal, Ponder, SSG, Dark ritual, CoB, Wish
    M: Mystical for AN, Win on turn 2
    P: Ponder into LED, Brainstorm, Wish. Draw LED and combo successfully with Diminishing returns UB open.
    Ponder is better

    15: Gemstone Mine, Ponder, Orim, CoBx2, D.Rit, Rite of flame.
    M: Mystical for AN, win on turn 2.
    P: Ponder into Rite of flame, d.rit, Gemstone. Shuffle and draw petal. Then draw orim, Orim.
    Mystical is better

    16: 2x Gemstone, 2x Ponder, Wish, Petal, Brainstorm.
    M: Brainstorm into Rite of flame, Dark ritual, Orchard. Mystical for AN and win on turn 2.
    P: Ponder into Rite of Flame, D. rit, Orchard. Draw Rit. Pass. Draw other rit, ponder into Led, Rit, Land. Draw Led, go for Returns with UB open. I fizzle, but this should not be taken into account.
    P=M

    17. D. rit, Duress, Crome mox, CoB, IGG, LED, Ponder
    M: Turn 1 Duress+ Mystical into AN. Win on turn 2.
    P: Ponder reveals AN. Same as above.
    P=M

    18. Mine, AN, Petal, Ponder, Orim, D.Rit, Brainstorm
    M: Mystical for Dark ritual and combo with AN on turn 2
    P: Ponder into Rite of flamex2, wish. Combo on turn 2 with AN.
    P=M

    19. Rite of flame, Duress, CoB, 2x Mox, Ponder, D.rit.
    M: Turn 1 duress, draw LED. Mystical for AN and combo turn 2.
    P: Turn 1 duress, Draw LED. Ponder into Paradise, Rite of flame, Cabal. Shuffle and draw brainstorm. Draw Wish and combo on turn 2 with Returns with UB open. Fizzle again but this doesn't count.
    P=M

    20. Mine, Ponder, ITx2, Petal, Rite of flame, Cabal ritual
    M: Turn 1 nothing. draw Rite of flame. Mystical for AN. Combo on turn 3.
    P: Ponder into Rite of flame, LED, Dark ritual. Draw Ritual. Pass. Draw led and combo on turn 2 with IGG loop or AN.
    Ponder was better.

    Results:
    Better Mystical: 8
    Better Ponder: 5
    Same: 7

    Unkeepable / questionable hands:

    - Duress, IT, ToA, Ponder, Orim, Wish, Petal.
    - 2x Gemstone, 2x Ponder, Wish, Petal, Brainstorm.
    - Petal, IT, Ponder, Brainstorm, IGG, Cob, Gemstone. (I would have played this one with Mystical but not with ponder)
    - 2x Rite of flame, 2 lands, IT, Ponder, Tendrils
    - 2x Cob, 2x Brainstorm, Ponder, chrome mox, Orim (This hand resulted in a turn 3 AN with Mystical and a turn 5 AN with Ponder)
    - 3xBrainstorm, Petal, AN, Wish, Ponder
    - Ponder, Wish, Cabal, Brainstorm, Rite of flame, LED, Petal
    - IT x2, Wish, Paradise, SSG, Ponder, AN


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    Re: [DTB] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm

    I have a question, can you use Shattering Spree to increase your storm count if you don't have any artifacts to target? I guess not, but it's better to ask.

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    Re: [DTB] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm

    @Corwin: No, you need a legal target to play it.

    @GreenOne: That sounds interesting. Even though I'm awful with storm combo, I'll do a batch of ten.

    21: Gemstone Mine, Infernal, P/M, LED, LED, Brainstorm, Cabal
    P: Ponder into LED, Brainstorm, Rite of Flame. Shuffle, draw Rite of Flame. Untap, draw LED#3. Brainstorm into Chant, IGG, Brainstorm. Put back Brainstorm and IGG. Untap, draw Brainstorm, play 3x LED, play Brainstorm, blow LEDs in response, play IGG with LED mana, win.
    M: Mystical for Ad Nauseam, double LED, on next upkeep Brainstorm to put Nauseam and the third LED on top, blow LEDs, Ad Nauseam into a win.

    Mystical was better.

    22: Nauseam, Mox, Dark Ritual, Brainstorm, P/M, Wish, Cabal
    P: Mox imprinting Brainstorm, Ponder seeing Mine, Ritual, Ponder. Draw Mine and play it, draw Ritual next turn, play Ad Nauseam, win.
    M: Brainstorm into the same plays as above. I think with Mystical you'd probably mulligan though, since there aren't good Mystical targets and a bad Brainstorm means almost GG.

    23: Ritex2, Infernal x2, P/M, Wish, Nauseam

    Mulligan.

    23: Mine, Chant, Chant, Cabal, SSG, Nauseam, P/M
    P: Ponder into LED, SSG, Rite, draw Rite of Flame. Next turn draw SSG, cast Ad Nauseam, win.
    M: Mystical for Dark Ritual, play Ad Nauseam on turn two, win.

    Same.

    24 - Mine, Mine, Rite, Led, Brainstorm x2, P/M.
    P: Mine, Brainstorm into Mox, Infernal, Wish, put back Brainstorm and Mine. T2 play Mine, Ponder seeing Brainstorm, LED, Petal, take LED, Mox -> Wish, play Rite, play LED x2, Infernal into IGG win.
    M: Mine, Brainstorm into Mox, Infernal, Wish, put back Wish and Mine, play Mox-> Brainstorm, play LED, EOT Mystical for Ad Nauseam. On upkeep get five mana, cast Nauseam in the draw step, *barely* win (had to Nausea twice in potentially lethal range).

    Ponder is somewhat better.

    25 - Mox x2, Orchard, Mine, Duress, IGG, P/M

    Mulligan.

    25 - 3x P/M, Petal, Ritual, Wish, Infernal

    Mulligan (*maybe* not with Ponder, but certainly with Mystical)

    25 - City, LED, Dark Ritual, P/M, Duress, Wish, Infernal
    P: Ponder into City, Ponder, Dark Ritual, draw City. Next turn draw Ritual, play Duress, play 2x Ritual, LED, Tutor into IGG loop.
    M: Mystical for another Dark Ritual, same as above but must play a Dark Ritual before the Duress.

    P slightly better.

    26 - Mox, P/M, Dark Ritual x2, LED, SSG, Rite

    This is hard to keep - it does nothing on its own, but the majority of draws enable it to go off. Either way, if I were to keep it, I would draw Ad Nauseam and the P/M would be discarded to LED in response to AN.

    27 - City, Mox, LED, Wish x2, Rite, P/M

    In both cases, I Wish into turn 1 Diminishing Returns (storm five). This draws LED x2, Petal, Ritual, Infernal, Chant, and another irrelevant P/M.

    28 - Tendrils, Brainstorm, P/M, Mox, LED, Petal, Infernal
    P: Mox pitching Brainstorm, Ponder into LED, Chant, City, draw City. Next turn draw LED and do the IGG loop.
    M: Mystical for Ad Nauseam, turn 2 win (by IGG returning Tendrils).

    29 - Infernal x2, Nauseam, LED, P/M, City, Wish
    P: Ponder seeing Ritual, City, Chant. Turn 2 Ad Nauseam and win.
    M: Mystical for Dark Ritual. Turn 2 Ad Nauseam and win.

    30 - Mine x2, City, Mox x2, Dark Ritual, P/M.

    Mulligan. Barring a broken Ponder I'm sitting on my ass for 2-3 turns.

    30 - Brainstorm x2, P/M, SSG, Wish, Infernal, Chant

    Mulligan.

    30 - Mine, Dark Ritual, LED, Duress, Wish, Infernal, P/M.
    P: Mine -> Ponder into Brainstorm x2, Tendrils. Shuffle, draw Tendrils. Turn 2 draw Dark Ritual, play your mana, Duress, Infernal Tutor for Ad Nauseam, play three more spells and cast the Tendrils.
    M: Mystical Ad Nauseam, turn two Ad Nauseam.

    Ponder is better (protection).
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    Re: [DTB] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm

    No but you can target the petal you use to produce the red mana.

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