[Deck] Solidarity

[TeKo]

First the Decks were posted in the Vintage Section but the Decks aren't Vintage legal to ;)

Crazy French, Spanish or Italian ppl.

[Illissius]

The really insane part is not that he made T8 with Frantic Search in his deck, but that he played less than four of them. There's no understanding some people...

[Julian23]

What do you guys think; is there any lobby we might be able to create for unbanning Frantic Search? With Academy gone would its impact be justified? I think first one has to consider the reasons for not unbanning it in order to "fight" them.

"ZOMFG n00b, it's broken in combo". Is it? Besides the fact that it's card disadvantage modern storm combo decks would rarely fully benefit from the possibility to untap 3 lands. I lack experience with TES but would it actually play it? Would the cmc of 3 discourage AdN from playing it over e.g. ponder? I have doubts on this.

Would Ichorid play it? Again, mana cost is a big issue here as the untap effect will rarely actually be of relevance. Besides that, why play it over Breakthough or Careful Study in the first place?

Would it be an option in control builds like Landstill? Ok, so this time the untapping is of actual relevance but why trade card quality for card advantage when you already have Brainstorm+Fetchlands?

Threshold? Maybe someone wil proof me wrong on this but in a deck that likes to run just 17/18 lands I think Frantic Search's effect is too weak at three mana.


I give it credit for being really good in Faerie Stompy and Solidarity. Is that enough to justify banning it?

PS: Call me incompetent or naive, I don't mind but I really wanna find out if the banning of Frantic Search in Legacy is really needed to keep the format together.

[Van Phanel]

PS: Call me incompetent or naive, I don't mind but I really wanna find out if the banning of Frantic Search in Legacy is really needed to keep the format together.

I will call you neither, but yes, it is. At the moment, Solidarity is the most consistent combodeck (maybe slightly behind ANT) and the best combodeck to fight through hate, but lacks in speed. Frantic Search would likely make it the best combodeck in an instant. Some adjustments (a third Flash and likely some Think Twice) would have to be made, but that would totally be worth it.

[Seriously]

Have you seen the "unlocking legacy" article this week??
(link: http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/l...oth_Decks.html)

I think the writer underrates this deck, but at least they talk about our deck!!

I also think the writer doesnt completely know what hes talking about. when talking about match ups with canadian thresh he lists ONLY the following three cards as stifle targets.

"especially" fetchlands

candelabra of tawnos

mind over matter.


seriously, is it just me, or would any canadian thresh player worth his weight, not save his stifle to stifle brainfreeze ? and then FOW, daze, spell snare a remand if played to grab the brainfreeze back ?

[Shimster]

I'd say that's pretty much depending on the specific hands: Solidarity players are likely to play their regular Islands before they are going to drop fetchlands. Thus stifling early fetchies might be a good strategy.

The problem with Stifle on Brain Freeze is that Solidarity just owns every counterspell based disruption during the end of combo step: You've got pretty much all of your own counterspells in your hand and a shitload of blue mana.

9 unconditional hardcounters > 4 unconditional hardcounters + 4 conditional hardcounters [+ 4 inefficient softcounters]

[Bahamuth]

I'd say that's pretty much depending on the specific hands: Solidarity players are likely to play their regular Islands before they are going to drop fetchlands. Thus stifling early fetchies might be a good strategy.

The problem with Stifle on Brain Freeze is that Solidarity just owns every counterspell based disruption during the end of combo step: You've got pretty much all of your own counterspells in your hand and a shitload of blue mana.

9 unconditional hardcounters > 4 unconditional hardcounters + 4 conditional hardcounters [+ 4 inefficient softcounters]

I'd go even further: Stifling fetch in a tempo Thresh list is probably the best you can do. The more time you give Solidarity, the more likely they are to win. Stifling fetchland sets Soldarity effectively back an entire turn (unlike Thresh, because the deck can play off like 2 land). We need at least 4 islands when starting the combo, and the more the better.

[Shimster]

We need at least 4 islands when starting the combo, and the more the better.

Either that or you can just win against Team America with a stifled fetchland on the stack .

One of the best reasons to play Stifle is its huge potential regarding fetchlands. Good luck at stifling Brain Freeze, though.

[GreenOne]

I also think the writer doesnt completely know what hes talking about. when talking about match ups with canadian thresh he lists ONLY the following three cards as stifle targets.

"especially" fetchlands

candelabra of tawnos

mind over matter.


seriously, is it just me, or would any canadian thresh player worth his weight, not save his stifle to stifle brainfreeze ? and then FOW, daze, spell snare a remand if played to grab the brainfreeze back ?

When the opponent drew half his deck with meditates and such, it's unlikely a stifle+force is going to spell gg.
The control/aggrocontrol player needs to stop the combo as it begins, countering tides, untap effects and early meditates. Stifling a candelabra equals to an hard counter on an untap effect.

[Van Phanel]

I also think the writer doesnt completely know what hes talking about. when talking about match ups with canadian thresh he lists ONLY the following three cards as stifle targets.

"especially" fetchlands

candelabra of tawnos

mind over matter.


seriously, is it just me, or would any canadian thresh player worth his weight, not save his stifle to stifle brainfreeze ? and then FOW, daze, spell snare a remand if played to grab the brainfreeze back ?

It is just you.

Seriously.

[Bahamuth]

Either that or you can just win against Team America with a stifled fetchland on the stack .

One of the best reasons to play Stifle is its huge potential regarding fetchlands. Good luck at stifling Brain Freeze, though.

Which you should absolutely Force when you can.

Also, you should pick Wish over Meditate with Impulses.

[lebarion]

Frantic Search would likely make it the best combodeck in an instant.

...and this would be so cool, I would join any lobby to unban Frantic Search in a second

Seriously, I don't think unbanning Frantic Search would have such a big impact in the format, in spite of making Solidarity a lot better and probably a tier 1 deck again. I also think this discussion is pointless, however; I only like to bring this subject when drinking a beer with my friends

[Dan Turner]

are ther any current decklist for this?

[Bahamuth]

are ther any current decklist for this?

It's still the same. 2 Cryptic Command mainboard.

http://www.deckcheck.net/deck.php?id=22050

Note the 6 Snow-Covered Islands. Those are really important new tech.....

[Mantis]

It's still the same. 2 Cryptic Command mainboard.

http://www.deckcheck.net/deck.php?id=22050

Note the 6 Snow-Covered Islands. Those are really important new tech.....

In fact, people might put you on some weird Gifts deck if you land a Snow covered Island and a regular Island, so it might be relevant.

[Hummingbird TG]

In fact, people might put you on some weird Gifts deck if you land a Snow covered Island and a regular Island, so it might be relevant.

Who would want to Gifts for an Island and a Snow-Covered Island?

[Muradin]

The main reason for playing 6 Snow covered Islands and 6 regular Islands is Predict. When you are playing against Threshold they have a quite good chance of hitting with a blind predict on you calling "Island", as there are 12 of them in your deck. This only happens on rare occasions but then it can be good to run some snow covered lands as well.

[deviant]

But there are no snow-covered islands with a pretty picture!

[Hummingbird TG]

Not really, Coldsnap's Snow-Covered Island looks rather nice in foil...

[Van Phanel]

To be honest the reason for running Snow-covered Islands was the simple fact that they are cheaper to get in foil compared to Unhinged. A Predict on Island never actually happens, it's just an urban myth.