[Conflux] Set Discussion (formerly spoilers)

[Maveric78f]

New card:
Mirror-Sigil Sergeant - 5w
Creature-- Rhino Soldier (Mythic)
Trample
If you control a blue permanent, during your upkeep, put a token into play that's a copy of Mirror-Sigil Sergeant
4/4
Looks pretty good, albeit a bit slow. Anyone know if the tokens themselves have an extra trigger?

Worded as it is, yeah they would trigger too.

Edit : and that's combo with Dreams of the Dead ;-)

[Aggro_zombies]

Worded as it is, yeah they would trigger too.

To correlate this: the ability is a copyable entity, along with mana cost, power, toughness, types, set symbol, and IIRC name as well. Your Rhino Soldiers would begin multiplying exponentially if you have a blue permanent in play.

Not going to see play in this format because it's too expensive and involved, but maybe in some sort of white-blue control deck in Standard? Possibly also as a finisher in control in block.

[Maveric78f]

I agree with most of the comments, and even if a few of those listed will not be played, that's still 12-13 cards out of a 100 so far, which is not bad for Legacy. But I guess some people only notice a playable card when it is so good that it can be put into every deck running that color, and not when it does something that could be put to use in some very specific decks, or built around to get the most out of it.

Usually, every set had that kind of card you mentionned (in bold plus few others that had quite a strong impact).

Shards had Cannonist, Relic of Progenitus and Ad Nauseam of course.
Eventide had Raven's Crime/Flame Jab/Worm Harvest 's cycle, Nettle Sentinel and Wickerbough Elder.
Shadowmoor had Faerie Macabre, Vexing Shusher, Painter's Servant and Firespout.
Morningtide had Bitterblossom, Earwig Squad, Warren Weirding and Countryside Crusher.
Lorwyn had Oblivion Ring, Ponder, Spellstutter Sprite, Shriekmaw/Mulldrifter, Thoughtseize, Imperious Perfect/Merrow's Reejerey, Doran, the Siege Tower, Gaddock Teeg, Thorn of Amethyst.
Future Sight had Pact of Negation/Slaughter Pact/Summoner's Pact, Narcomoeba/Bridge from Below, Tombstalker, Magus of the Moon/Gathan Raiders, Tarmogoyf and Horizon Canopy.
etc...

For the moment, I don't see a single card I would put in bold in Conflux, but that's maybe because it's too early.

[Lifeless]

This just showed up on Sal

Knight of the Reliquary

1GW
Creature - Human Knight

Knight of the Reliquary gets +1/+1 for each land card in your graveyard.

T, Sacrifice a Forest or Plains: Search your library for a land card, put it into play, then
shuffle your library.

2/2

Does Terravore need another buddy? I think it's a nicely designed card and will find a home, not necessarily in Legacy.

[Waikiki]

Ohw my god how good is that??? A land card not even basic or smt. And it's bigger then vore sans trample. Damn best card of the set ? <misread that land count woops>

[spirit of the wretch]

It's not bigger than Vore, because it only counts lands in YOUR graveyard. Nice card, but weaker than Vore (especially without trample) and weaker than Sylvan Scrying (because of the sickness). I doubt it'll see play in Legacy.

[Maveric78f]

It's not bigger than Vore, because it only counts lands in YOUR graveyard. Nice card, but weaker than Vore (especially without trample) and weaker than Sylvan Scrying (because of the sickness). I doubt it'll see play in Legacy.

Better than Vore, because vore only attacks but does nothing for the loam engine.

[Shugyosha]

Its a decent beatstick that can tutor up Wastelands and Manlands. This has to be played somewhere.

[kicks_422]

Does anyone remember the old GW TerraGeddon decks? Knight of the Reliquary would at least get some people to test that again.

[Skeggi]

Better than Vore, because vore only attacks but does nothing for the loam engine.

Worse than Vore: Vore is meaning it fits in RGB Aggro Loam. Vore also has trample. This guy will probably not be played since Aggro Loam is already up to three colors and is not likely to be looking to also play white. Besides, they already have Vore, Crusher, Goyf and Bob. They don't need another beatstick.

[Maveric78f]

Being GG instead of WG is not necessarily an advantage since green has always been the weakest color of RGB aggro loam. Playing white opens the deck to crime/punishment and vindicate, which are quite good replacements for terminate/engineering explosives.

Although, given the current metagame, terravore or this new card are craps, because LftL is itself crap (too slow against combo, too easily disruptable with coutnerbalance, too much MD relics in the metagame).

[Skeggi]

Being GG instead of WG is not necessarily an advantage since green has always been the weakest color of RGB aggro loam. Playing white opens the deck to crime/punishment and vindicate, which are quite good replacements for terminate/engineering explosives.

Although, given the current metagame, terravore or this new card are craps, because LftL is itself crap (too slow against combo, too easily disruptable with coutnerbalance, too much MD relics in the metagame).

You want to cut green (LftL, Vore, Goyf, on a smaller schale: Worm harvest) from a Loam deck? Loam is crap? Vore is crap? Oh my God son, go wash your mouth with soap!

[Maveric78f]

You want to cut green (LftL, Vore, Goyf, on a smaller schale: Worm harvest) from a Loam deck? Loam is crap? Vore is crap? Oh my God son, go wash your mouth with soap!

???

Have you seen I've made 2 paragraphs.

The first paragraph, as I thought everybody was aware of this, I did not detail. I do it now. I just repeated what a lot of (skilful) aggroloam player told. Except Terravore, everything is only G (or not even G with worm harvest), not GG. So yes, in aggro loam you want a turn 1 discard, so B, a turn 2 1G (tarmo/LftL) or 1R (burning wish) or 1B (confidant) or RB (terminate) and turn 3 1RR (crusher), 1BG (discard + tarmogoyf or LftL), 1RB (discard + burning wish) or 1BB (dicard + confidant). In late game you want B^n for raven crime and RR for devastating dream or even RRR for seismic assault. Aggroloam should basically be a RBg deck (splah G) and a lot of players replaced Terravore by Tombstalker (which is far from being stupid).

The second paragraph, I just said that LftL based decks where not good in the current metagame, and I explained why.

[Cire]

Cumber Stone 3U
Artifact (Uncommon)
Creatures your opponents control get -1/-0

Scattershot Archer G
Creature-Elf Archer (C)
T: Scattershot Archer deals 1 damage to each creature with flying.
1/2

Filigree Fracture 2G
Instant
Destroy target enchanment or artifact.
If it's controller controls a black or blue permenant, you draw a card.

Celestial Purge
1W
Instant
Remove Target Black or Red Permenent from the game

and Volcanic Fall out and Banefire

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Is this ENTIRE set designed to hate on Bitter blossom??!

Im just waiting for them to reveal the black part of the bitterblossom hate cycle....Lol

[bowvamp]

Scattershot Archer will probably destroy the MU of elves vs faerie stompy. Just as long as they don't lay COTV @ 1...

[Skeggi]

Scattershot Archer will probably destroy the MU of elves vs faerie stompy. Just as long as they don't lay COTV @ 1...

Why? The creatures in Faerie Stompy have a toughness of 3 or higher. Except for Trinket Mage, but he doesn't fly.

[georgjorge]

The "new 'Vore" is a very good card. We will see if he fits in Aggro Loam (I've played a 4c version before), though the ability isn't that good there because I almost always want to attack with that deck.

It MIGHT also be considered for UGw Thresh/Fish-style decks as a potential 5/5 for three that fixes your mana while growing.

It's gonna show up in some decks for sure.

[Heresy]

It's gonna show up in some decks for sure.

For sure, since it's clearly the best card of the set with Noble Hierarch.

[GreenOne]

The "new 'Vore" is a very good card. We will see if he fits in Aggro Loam (I've played a 4c version before), though the ability isn't that good there because I almost always want to attack with that deck.

It MIGHT also be considered for UGw Thresh/Fish-style decks as a potential 5/5 for three that fixes your mana while growing.

It's gonna show up in some decks for sure.

Yeah, there should be some testing. There's a possible revamp of Terrageddon.

I'd even try something like RGw Loam deck with some 1of lands to tutor for (Maybe Maze of Ith, Ghost Quarter, Tabernacle, Mishra's factory), dropping the entire Confidant+Terminate+Discard package for Swords to Plowshares, This guy, and maybe some Geddons between side and MD.

[georgjorge]

I'd really hate to lose the discard package and play without disruption, but the idea sounds tempting. At this point in the format, with blue being everywhere, I'm not even sure if Dreams is better than Armageddon anymore, though red could run Thoughts of Ruin instead as well.

I'm putting my money on GWb Terrageddon. Aggro Loam got much better when it could play 8 big guys instead of 4, and it will be the same here. I would worry a bit about all the big guys being crippled by Relic, but I could definitely see it being GWub with Stifles as all-around mana denial and protection, and of course Brainstorms (oh, and Rafiqs for those 13/13 DOUBLE STRIKING trampling 'Vores).

I think I got carried away a bit.