[Deck] Dragon Stompy

[Esper3k]

Excuse-me, but where can i find mink's report?

It's over here in the Tournament Reports section:

http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=13357

[idraleo]

I' ve spent some test on this decklist, but i' ve never had the chance to play it in real tournaments. That sounds bad, but it was a metagame choice, and most of the times i' ve preferred some other decks. Btw, the decklist looks a little different from other posted before, and even if it isn' t THE decklist it could probably give some good point of discussion. Maybe Coal Stoker could be more interesting here, but i rarely found situoations were i couldn' t cast Demigods, and most of the time i was simply screwed and not color screwed; 7 or 8 Moon effect maindeck allows us to play Demigod most of the times, and i' ve decided to run Siege because of Goblin Assault. Assault too is a decent card, provides a great number of attackers, is a great call against Standstill, and a powerhouse to have an out from a Smockestack too.

// Lands
4 [TE] Ancient Tomb
4 [EX] City of Traitors
10 [CS] Snow-Covered Mountain

// Creatures
4 [SHM] Demigod of Revenge
4 [FUT] Magus of the Moon
2 [DIS] Rakdos Pit Dragon
4 [PLC] Simian Spirit Guide
4 [PLC] Sulfur Elemental
2 [10E] Siege-Gang Commander

// Spells
4 [MR] Seething Song
4 [MR] Chalice of the Void
4 [MR] Chrome Mox
3 [9E] Blood Moon
4 [ALA] Goblin Assault
3 [BOK] Umezawa's Jitte

// Sideboard
SB: 3 [10E] Pithing Needle
SB: 4 [DS] Trinisphere
SB: 3 [GP] Shattering Spree
SB: 2 [TE] Boil
SB: 3 [AL] Pyrokinesis

[Esper3k]

I saw this idea on the Elephant/Natural Stompy thread - but what about Rosheen Meanderer?

She could be useful with Chalices, Sigils, and Bane/Demonfire?

[Deathcloud9]

Truth be told I'm not perfect. I'm trying to give some good input though, which is why I tried to go over a lot of ground with the tournament report. I love the deck- which shows that even if you're not the perfect player you can still do well with the deck. I especially wanted to give back to this thread, considering this is where the Maulers came from.

As far as the deck goes however, there are some good directions for the deck to go-

The main deck seems pretty solid. I wouldn't want to try to change it by adding colors- like with Demigod, etc. The same problems for Banefire/Demonfire exist too, as though you often get to 5 mana quickly, I'm often left without more than 3 or 4 lands by the end game. Keeping it simple seems to work best for this archetype.

Goblin Assault seems to be pretty interesting as far as the deck goes, and could probably go with an equipment strategy (especially in certain matchups that use Wrath effects/Swords to Plowshares to kill your fatties).

As far as SoFI goes, I believe the idea still remains the same- another 5 mana to cast and equip can sometimes ruin your tempo.

Anarchy does seem like a great SB card as well.

Pithing Needle is still great obviously, even if it can't hit a LED, lol.

[Tacosnape]

Siege-Gang >> Demigod of Uncastability, and I've actually tinkered around with the Siegester a few times, but is there any reason on God's Green Earth that list doesn't run Arc-Slogger?

[Charlatan]

You do realize that threaten wasnt in his sideboard after the trials. Also, I wouldnt take too mcuh of what Mink says about magic or this deck as gold. Someone who thinks Pithing Needle stops LED shouldnt give advice on decks

Mink's report is great, and believe i'm a not a brown nose, i even know where he lives...

His report is a great article about this deck, even if needle doesn't hit LED or anything like that...

I think that all cards that he used as SB have a meta call or to handle with weaknes from tyhe deck...

[idraleo]

Siege-Gang >> Demigod of Uncastability, and I've actually tinkered around with the Siegester a few times, but is there any reason on God's Green Earth that list doesn't run Arc-Slogger?

As i sayed, i' d rather go on Siege-gang rather then Slogger because of Assault synergies. Slogger is certainly a powerful card, but consider that i' m running 4 Demigods, and i want keep a maximum number of 5cc slots to 6. However, each time i' ve played Demigod it have been castable and efficient, especially against Landstill, Rock based decks that runs Pernicious, and MUC variants. If i get screwed to play Demigod, then i will be screwed to play Siege or Slogger too, so the few games where we' ll be unable to cast it will be some rare games where we don' t saw any Moon effect, or Seething, or we'll get completely screwed, probably with 1-2 red mana and some colorless land. Btw, Slogger is always one of the best card to play, i' ve simply run something different, and tests was positive.

[nix]

isnt demigod hard to cast?

[Tacosnape]

or we'll get completely screwed, probably with 1-2 red mana and some colorless land.

That's not "completely screwed" for builds that are smart enough not to run Siege-Gang and Demigod. That's "Being able to cast everything in my deck." That's the difference between builds that run the correct threats and ones that don't.

This isn't extended. We don't run Rite of Flame and Desperate Ritual. We aren't All-In Red. And Force of Will exists in this format, so trying to be anything close to that is a horrible plan. Demigod says byebye.

[Raptor]

As i sayed, i' d rather go on Siege-gang rather then Slogger because of Assault synergies. Slogger is certainly a powerful card, but consider that i' m running 4 Demigods, and i want keep a maximum number of 5cc slots to 6. However, each time i' ve played Demigod it have been castable and efficient, especially against Landstill, Rock based decks that runs Pernicious, and MUC variants. If i get screwed to play Demigod, then i will be screwed to play Siege or Slogger too, so the few games where we' ll be unable to cast it will be some rare games where we don' t saw any Moon effect, or Seething, or we'll get completely screwed, probably with 1-2 red mana and some colorless land. Btw, Slogger is always one of the best card to play, i' ve simply run something different, and tests was positive.

The problem with Siege-Gang is that is it only a 2/2, which is hard to put lots pressure on opponent with attacking. If there is a tarmo on the board, Siege Gang would be a lot less efficient then Slogger, because you will need to wreck the tarmo (Often 4/5 or 5/6), and it will cost you three tokens, and there will only be a 2/2 on board instead of a 4/5. Not to mention that Siege Gang ability cost 2 mana instead of one.
I find slogger really more versatile, especially that you can kill tarmo, and still do like ~4 damage to the player with it.
Although Siege Gang might be better in late game situation, you don't want to go end game anyway ;p
Also, if you run Demigod and Siege Gang, the two of them might be hard to cast expecially in a format with Sinkhole, or if you don't find your Seething song.
By the way, shouldn't you just run 1 Akroma versus landstill for a Wincon? (Can't be countered or sworded, can't be defended by elspeth's tokens..)

[Charlatan]

One question:

Isn't firespout better then pyroclasm?

Why not? (if you think that "No" )

[Raptor]

One question:

Isn't firespout better then pyroclasm?

Why not? (if you think that "No" )

Personally, I like pyroclasm better.

The extra damage of firespout will most likely kill your rider, and will kill your Rakdos pit (except if you make him flying, but it would cost you 3 red mana, which is sometimes really hard to get )

Pyroclasm kills Sower of temptation.

It cost one more mana. And you don't need the 1 extra damage versus deck with lot of creatures most of the time.. (Except if you play agaisnt merfolk and there is two Reejerey or lord of atlantis)

[idraleo]

And Force of Will exists in this format, so trying to be anything close to that is a horrible plan

One of the best side of Demigod is that if you' ll saw it in multiple copyes, it owns Force of Will. Force of Will works on each other threat or card in the deck, so saying that Demigod is couterable by Force is pointless. Saying that we can' t play it in this format because that' s not an extended deck is pointless too: that was the same when someone tryed first to play Sower in Legacy, and everybody laught at it. I' ve played several games with this decklist, and obv sometimes i lost games with an uncastable Demigod in hand, sure, but i think that you lost many games with some uncastable Arc-Slogger in hand too
I found that with 4 Seething, 4 Moxes, 4 SSG, and 7 maindeck Moon effect, the RRRRR in Demigod manacost is not a problem as it could appear by a first sight. Give it a chance in your playtests, i'm not assuming that it is the solution or the best card ever printed for this deck, but that it is a good threat and a playable card, and it gives the best against counter-based decks and deck that runs Pernicious, WoG and other board sweepers.

[Kuma]

One of the best side of Demigod is that if you' ll saw it in multiple copyes, it owns Force of Will. Force of Will works on each other threat or card in the deck, so saying that Demigod is couterable by Force is pointless.

The odds of us seeing Demigod in mulitples and having the RRRRR to cast them both is incredibly low. How do you not realize this? Do I have to crunch numbers for you?

Force of Will actually does a pretty good job of stopping Demigod. A smart player will let you play your Demigod, let the trigger resolve and then Force the Demigod. If you have no Demigods in the yard, Force of Will will stop Demigod cold. We have one way to put Demigods in the yard --- Gathan Raiders. Do the words 'danger of cool things' mean anything to you?

If you're running Demigod because of its resiliance against countermagic, (I can't think of why else you'd want to run a nearly uncastable card) it's relevant that Force of Will will shut it down nearly every time you cast it. It would be different if we ran something like Intuition, but we don't.

The bottom line is that we need a Seething Song or a combination of cards resembling Rube Goldberg contraption to cast it. That's why it's bad.

Saying that we can' t play it in this format because that' s not an extended deck is pointless too: that was the same when someone tryed first to play Sower in Legacy, and everybody laught at it.

So because some people were wrong about Sower of Temptation, we're wrong about Demigod?

I' ve played several games with this decklist, and obv sometimes i lost games with an uncastable Demigod in hand, sure, but i think that you lost many games with some uncastable Arc-Slogger in hand too

Yeah, I've lost games to an uncastable Slogger. How does replacing Arc-Slogger with an even harder to cast card improve the situation?

Give it a chance in your playtests, i'm not assuming that it is the solution or the best card ever printed for this deck, but that it is a good threat and a playable card, and it gives the best against counter-based decks and deck that runs Pernicious, WoG and other board sweepers.

Tell you what: I'll playtest Demigod when you form a coherent arguement for why it's better than any four cards from the standard list, if you crunch some numbers and show that it's not too hard to get RRRRR, and/or demonstrate how Demigod kills your opponent faster than an Arc-Slogger when cast early.

I'd rather have Pithing Needles than Demigods against Pernicious Deed, because I can reliably cast Pithing Needle. And nobody plays Wrath of God anymore.

[mercc]

I like the idea of demigod, new ideas.
What rock player doesn't expect needle? They will have some sort of artifact hate vs. it as vs. all our other cards. Cards like demigod can make for a surprise.

This deck is in bad need of new ideas or it will be Tier 1.5 at best.. forever..

[mujadaddy]

This deck is in bad need of new ideas or it will be Tier 1.5 at best.. forever..

Needing kinda goes way beyond the "new ideas" label, though, doesn't it?

[mercc]

Needing kinda goes way beyond the "new ideas" label, though, doesn't it?

I don't know what to say..

[mujadaddy]

I don't know what to say..

Read the thread. This deck is Chalice/Tomb/Red, not Red Aggro.

[mercc]

Wow, merfolk has become popular in my area!

Best SB against it?
Clasm? Flametongue? Pyroblast? Keg? Pyrokinesis?

[Esper3k]

Wow, merfolk has become popular in my area!

Best SB against it?
Clasm? Flametongue? Pyroblast? Keg? Pyrokinesis?

Boil the fishmen? :)