canadian thresh ? NLB ? any thoughts ?
Nah. You only want this in a mana hungry deck. Survival could use it, and it'll be gobbled up in T2, probably for more than it's actually worth. Still a damn good card though, but you can't build strictly around it your deck's going to suck.
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Vial it in, play fetch, crack fetch, use free mana to cast Standstill, then attack with factory...
yeah, this thing could find a home, somewhere.
But you have an active Vial, a Factory and a Standstill. The Lotus Cobra is the least of their worries. The fact that you gained a 2/1 in play isn't that relevant if you're playing it over something that could have synergy in the deck (IE Merfolk, Tarmogoyf, Dark Confidant).Originally Posted by Antonius
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Frankly, at this point in time, I prefer Noble Hierarch for a few reasons:
1.) Consistency. Hierarch ALWAYS gives you one extra mana, every turn after it's cast.
2.) Exalted is awesome.
3.) This third point is probably the most important, and it has to do with consistency. You can start using Hierarch on turn two, which means that it has an extra turn to speed you up. This, in turn, means that you start being aggressive a whole turn earlier--your creatures aren't sick from summoning, etc. It also means that it doesn't compete with your two-drop threats (Tarmogoyf!), and that you're not casting your two-drop threats on turn three, when you can (and should be) cast(ing) your three-drop threats, or a second two-drop.
The potential to hit 5 mana on turn three brings negligible benefits if you consider that Hierarch grants 4 on turn three (five if you manage to cast one on turn one, and another on turn 2, and don't miss land drops--but that's an unfair scenario since there are two Hierarchs, but only one Cobra), but doesn't eat up a turn of aggression or a turn of casting. In this case (these cases), Hierarch certainly looks a great deal better. The Cobra essentially loses you two turns, since it eats up turn two and forces you to hold off on casting Tarmogoyf for a turn (pushing it's impact back by two turns).
As I sit around filling in for someones night shift at work sleep deprived, the best I can come up with is powering through a root maze in some kind of green disruption? (or any of the resistors for that matter)
It's good in a deck that can get a lot of mileage out of extra mana, has a use for beaters and doesn't suck without it. So far that seems to be Survival as the only possibility in this format.
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Yes, I'm totally trying this in my survival build, as this also combos with Quirion Ranger
Or something like this:
4x Lotus Cobra
4x Dark Confidant
4x Tarmogoyf
4x Ponder
4x Brainstorm
2x Sensei's Divining Top
4x Force of Will
4x Daze
4x Sinkhole
4x Hymn to Tourach
4x Thoughtseize
4x Wasteland
3x Misty Rainforest
3x Polluted Delta
3x Verdant Catacombs
1x Tropical Island
1x Underground Sea
1x Island
1x Forest
1x Swamp
(yes, I'm sure this list could be better, i threw it together in about 10 seconds, it's not a bible, its a brainstormed outline)
Cobra just acts like a different variation of Bob in a deck like this, where instead of turbocharging your drawing, he turbocharges your mana, enabling you to use cantrips and disruption or disruption + disruption + disruption all at once.
He's worse than Rofellos. Survival is always heavily in green, why would it take this over him? Increased vulnerability to Stifle and the inability to make lots of mana at will seems worse than being Legendary and costing.
He might be workable in Zoo. The ability to burst off of a play like land for turn (fetch) -> crack it, and have 3 mana open seems strong.
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Yeah, turbocharging your card draw turn three is a lot better than your mana in such a deck. What are the broken plays that he would enable in such a deck? None. Your manacurve is already scraping the floor. That's a terrible list to abuse this card.
He begs to be midrange. Put some meat in the deck and we can talk. At least some cards like Sower and Jitte and EE.
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This card wants you to play lots of lands in your deck to get the most benefit out of him so it seems kind of like a controlish card to me as you wouldn't want to be playing extra lands in an aggro deck; the fact that it's a meager 2/1 doesn't help much either. With a casting cost of 1G it just seems like he has too much competition from other cards at the same cost; outside of a few wacky Johnny concoctions, I can't think of a single deck that would want this guy. It might be good in block constructed and possibly standard but for any other format you're better off leaving him in your trade binder.
Except zoo plays a minimal number of lands which allows a minimal number of opportunities to use this guy. Most of the time he is going to be a vanilla 2/1 for 1G which just doesn't cut it in this format. The uber mana cheating Aether Vial doesn't even make the cut in most zoo lists so the chance of this guy making the cut is almost zero.
I say this card is useless. At least in Vintage and Legacy.
Also, its a 2-Drop. Spellsnare, CB anyone?
I think the main problem is, "What does he accelerate out that actually matters?" He's not going to beat Rofellos for mana in the long term, so he'd better do something great up front. I'm having trouble thinking of anything better than just feeding him to Natural Order, which isn't mana intensive and I can also just use any green creature, from Tarmogoyf to Wood Elemental.
I like the pretty colors.
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Hmm... When I saw this, I start thinking about Mox Diamond, Crucible of Worlds, Life from the Loam... Some kind of Loam/StaX...
Oh, and I always wanted a deck around Natural Balance!
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u know...
he has a lot of synergi with natural order, he sacrificies to it, makes it avoid daze/speed it up and might let you cast a thoughtseize before as well
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