Modified my list a bit. Will play a few tourneys, probably one at Gencon, if there is one. And I will give you guys a few reports + the list .
My list:
4 [LG] Karakas
3 [MM] Rishadan Port
2 [TSP] Flagstones of Trokair
9 [DDC] Plains (1)
4 [REW] Wasteland
2 [PLC] Stonecloaker
3 [TSP] Mangara of Corondor
3 [EVE] Flickerwisp
3 [CHK] Isamaru, Hound of Konda
4 [TSP] Serra Avenger
2 [CS] Jotun Grunt
3 [ALA] Ethersworn Canonist
2 [EVE] Figure of Destiny
3 [ALA] Oblivion Ring
4 [CST] Swords to Plowshares
3 [BOK] Umezawa's Jitte
2 [EX] Cataclysm
4 [DS] AEther Vial
// Sideboard
1 [CS] Jotun Grunt
1 [ALA] Ethersworn Canonist
1 [EX] Cataclysm
2 [CHK] Samurai of the Pale Curtain
2 [NE] Seal of Cleansing
3 [LE] Glowrider
4 [LRW] Burrenton Forge-Tender
I've found figure of destiny to be great. Especially with vial out the 4/4 pump can easily be done.
Still not sure about the mana base. I might switch to 4 port / 3 waste. Sometimes it's not worth it to use waste because you need the mana yourself.
Main feels quite solid, but I'm not sure about the SB. Neither am I sure if I should move cataclysm entirely to SB, I guess thats a metagame question.
Any thoughts?
I have also liked Figure of Destiny. The deck needs some help versus Zoo, and this is just the sort of fellow to do it. I think you should up the count.
"Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job."
"Politicians are like diapers. They should be changed often and for the same reason."
"Governing is too important to be left to people as silly as politicians."
"Politicians were mostly people who'd had too little morals and ethics to stay lawyers."
One funny idea: Ring of Brightheart. It works with so many cards in the deck, so I decided to try it. Here's what I have now:
LANDS (21):
4 Karakas
4 Windswept Heath
4 Wasteland
2 Plateau
7 Plains
Red splash wtf
Wastes and fetches work with Ring.
1-DROPS (13)
3 Isamaru, Hound of Konda - Obv
4 Aether Vial - works with Ring
4 Swords to Plowshares - Obv
2 Enlightened Tutor - 'cause I like tollbox and >1 Ring is too much
2-DROPS (12)
3 Serra Avenger - Obv
2 Jotun Grunt - Obv
3 Ethersworn Canonist - Obv, tutorable
2 Umezawa's Jitte - Obv, tutorable, works with Ring
2 Lightning Helix - I found this card to be subpar in pure aggro 'cause 3 life are irrevelant there, but in slower decks like this... It kills almost any creature in Zoo and Tribal and lifegain really gives a space to breath vs-based aggro.
3-DROPS (11)
4 Flickerwisp - Obv
3 Mangara of Corondor - Obv, works like hell with Ring
2 Kitchen Finks - Test creature, kinda hot with Flickerwisp, fits the antiaggro role, great with Jitte.
1 Ring of Brightheart - I like unusual cards and I like to find home for them. Howewer, this one does nothing without other cards, so only tutorbox singleton...
1 Oblivion Ring - Extreme situation insurance.
4-DROPS (3)
3 Ajani Vengeant - Hell Yeah! Planeswalkers are the best cards to abuse Ring of Brightheart.
SIDEBOARD
4 Orim's Chant - Obv
1 Ethersworn Canonist - Obv
1 Absolute Law - Obv
1 Tormod's Crypt - Obv
1 Relic of Progenitus - Obv, works with Ring
1 Sacred Ground - Wastelock/Geddon/... insurance
1 Seal of Cleansing - Art/ench hate, works with Ring
1 Aura of Silence - Special art/ench hate, works with Ring
1 Jotun Grunt - Very underplayed card, you need 3rd against a descent number of tier decks.
3 Free Slots
The basis is the old MD Cataclysm list. The first change is boot to Stonecloaker to add Finks. The second is E-Tutor to fit in Ring. And the third is Planeswalker instead of Cataclysm to abuse Ring. I choose Ajani Vengeant 'cause I wanted
Have anyone tried to use Planeswalkers instead of Cataclysm (if anyone still try to play Cataclysm here)
Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way.
Firemind:
I'm running cataclysm, and for a monowhite build elspeth could be something to test out instead of cataclysm. I'm not sure how well it fits the gameplan though.
Finks seems to be descent, but I'm not sure I'd like another 3-drop(maybe instead of cloaker in that case).
What about the manabase? In mono-w I'm not sure about wasteland because the deck is mana intensive, but with a splash, doesnt the situation get worse?
Any results you have hade with the green and red splash versions would be nice to know of.
Pump flyers for win I think.Originally Posted by Xtreme
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Yeah, that's right the thing I've done.
Inspalsh, there's fucking Noble Hierarch and no problems at all (even beter than mono-
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<EDIT>: No, wait, this is how it must look like:
FUCKING NOBLE HIERARCH
</EDIT>
Unfortunately, no. 11-hours workday all summer. Maybe in september...
But I done some tests and for me
Living Wish was bad only very very few times and was almost always good to awesome, so I'll keep it. Most wishable cards: Karakas, Mangara, Jotun Grunt, Gaddock Teeg. Just keep in mind that if you don't need something special, just wish to sculpt your hand/find creature with right CMC for Vial(i.e. use it like Thresh uses Brainstorm). Don't wait for the situation, play YOUR game - and you'll perform fine.
Most sideble card: obv 2 Krosan Grip. Split Second Disenchant is aldo great addition
Last edited by eq.firemind; 08-13-2009 at 06:11 AM.
Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way.
Changes:
-3 cataclysm -> sb
-1 Wasteland
+2 Elspeth
+1 Figure of Destiny
+1 Plains
I wanted to have less 4 drops, so after first adding 3 elspeth I cut one.
ANT seems to be gaining polularity so I really would like to fit 4 chants in sb, not sure what to cut though.
The deck runs very smoothly atm with very little mulliganing. Ofcourse Elspeth and cataclysm dont mix so if cataclysm is sided in, Elspeth goes out. I'm quite happy with the main so I guess it's time to go to test a tournament with it
EDIT:
I need help against counterbalance. Any suggestions?
Last edited by Xtreme; 08-27-2009 at 07:35 AM.
If the opppnent gets counterbalance working you could be in trouble. The best defense you have is aether vial. But if you are encountering a lot of cb, I might try pithing needle set to divining top. I play wasteland and port, so I commonly have my threats in place before thresh can make cb pay off. But not always. When that happens I find myself baiting him so I can land an O. Ring.
"Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job."
"Politicians are like diapers. They should be changed often and for the same reason."
"Governing is too important to be left to people as silly as politicians."
"Politicians were mostly people who'd had too little morals and ethics to stay lawyers."
Hey guys - long time lurker, been playing and loving D & T for a while now...!
Just a random idea, since we're considering Figure of Destiny (I have a few copies on order to test out), what about a copy or 2 of Gargoyle Castle? It almost seems like FoD in land form, giving that late game knockout blow. Vulnerable to Wasteland of course, but I can't see it being a giant target...and if they nuke it, great - one less Wasteland to get at Karakas. Of course tapping for colourless isn't amazing, but with the current land mix I never feel stuck for white mana...
Probably a ridiculous idea, but seems like it could be a semi-fun/effective addition
I almost never have 6 lands, so I would go with Mishra's factory before castle
True, but I don't mind forking out a few extra mana for the fact that this + Stonecloaker would make it the closest thing to a Gargoyle tribal deck in existence! +10 Style points...
I went 5-0 in the swiss round robin last week and then lost to this piece of jank in the first round of the top 8. Unreal! I cannot believe how tech mana tithe can be if you aren't expecting it! I thought it was a terrible and unplayable card that does not belong in this deck or any other for that matter. I am still probably right because I see most players here are not using it. However, the element of surprise on a pivotal game breaking play can sometimes mean all the difference.
1w Enchantment Common
When Journey to Nowhere enters the battlefield, exile target creature.
When Journey to Nowhere leaves the battlefield, return the exiled creature to the battlefield under its owner's control.
Discuss!
Minty, I think most players are looking for a replacement for Oblivion Ring. D+T has plenty of really good ways to handle opponent creatures. Oblivion Ring is good because of the array of targets it can nix. It is bad, not because it is too slow, but because it is an enchantment. This card seems to have all of the important weaknesses of Oblivion Ring with none of its important advantages.
Thumbs down for me.
"Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job."
"Politicians are like diapers. They should be changed often and for the same reason."
"Governing is too important to be left to people as silly as politicians."
"Politicians were mostly people who'd had too little morals and ethics to stay lawyers."
If I wanted more creature removal than 4 swords I would add path to exile.
Sidenotes:
-I tried out honor the pure, and it's horrible.
-Elspeth is superb
Saw this on the MTGS spoiler, immediately thought of Death and Taxes.
Kor Skyfisher 1W
Flying
When ~this~ enters the battlefield, return target permanent you control to owners' hand.
2/3
Thoughts?
That could be nice with vial in play, but without vial it's really not that good. Although 1 mana cheaper, I would run Stonecloaker instead of that any time, as it operates without vial.
In comparison that guy could randomly save a Jitte or o. ring or "reset" a vial, but that's again with vial on board,. Too situational imho
Skyfisher misses the mark just a bit imo. At two mana, he is too cheap to reliably get in from a vial that is stationed at 3 as soon as it can be. That means that you will be hardcasting it most of the time. And then his ability does next to nothing.
"Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job."
"Politicians are like diapers. They should be changed often and for the same reason."
"Governing is too important to be left to people as silly as politicians."
"Politicians were mostly people who'd had too little morals and ethics to stay lawyers."
Is this worth testing?
Kor Duelist w
Creature - Kor Soldier Uncommon
As long as Kor Duelist is equipped, it has double strike.
1/1
How many equips do you have in your build? 2 jittes?
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