i am just about to buy one of them (legends or antiquities)
but i have a few questions
*which one have the highest potential to get a nice loot ? or is it just more or less the same. (i do feel that legends have more nice rares but MUCH MORE crappy ones !)
*can i rely on ebay shops? i mean on the "sealed" condition. i dont wanna buy smth already opened and simply glued back ...
well thanks for your help.
Last edited by ryO!; 12-08-2009 at 03:41 PM.
The wrappers of old packs were basically see thru so they don't even have to be opened to be searched. I personally would never buy old packs because of this even from reputable sellers as I don't really trust anyone on ebay.
^ This.Originally Posted by andrew77
Plus for the cost of buying a "non-searched" pack of the aforementioned sets, you might as well just put the money torwards the cards you want.
(Going off a quick search through, with motl prices)
Stuff from antiquities:
Strip mine - 7
Hurkyl's - 10
Factory - 15
Candelabra - 30
Workshop - 200
Stuff from Legends:
Land Tax - 6
Sylvan Library - 7
Dakkon Blackblade - 7
Chain Lightning - 9
Nicol Bolas - 10
Reset - 12
Crossroads - 12
In the Eye of Chaos - 14
Eureka - 20
Chains - 40
Nether Void - 40
The Abyss - 50
Mana Drain - 85
Moat - 110
Tabernacle - 130
There's a ton more stuff in legends. Granted, not all of it is playable anymore, but just based on what's worth at least a couple of bucks, Legends is a lot more likely to give you something decent. At the very worst, at least Chain Lightning is chilling out at common. If you buy Antiquities, you're basically just praying that you're a lucky bastard and will hit the Workshop.
I always wondered if this is an urban legend or fact. I saw a couple ofAntiquities boosters and it's true that the first card can be seen through the wrap (Legend are a lot harder). But it's not the rare here or even the uncommon.
I don't see how the cards behind the first can be scanned, even by moving cards one by one and try to read the title, it seems impossible to me.
Anybody ever performed it ?
u ve forgotten all the factories @ antiquities !
so well it s pretty much worthless? :s
it wasn't really for the cards, just for the rush of opening such old things, but if you are all saying that those are easily "looking through-able" well .... but on the other hand i tend to agree on nicolas statement, i mean except the first one u rly can see something like even the card cost or so?
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I've done this to Fallen Empires packs. I had to stretch the wrapping material pretty far on some of them (enough so that it wouldn't snap back into place and you could see the top of the wrapper would be loose) but there may be less-abusive methods.
Dear Lord....
Fixed.You've forgotten all the Mishra's Factories in Antiquities !
So, it's pretty much a worthless endeavor?
My intention was not really to open the packs for the sole purpose of obtaining the cards, instead, I was excited for the rush of opening such old things. However, if you are all saying that those packs are all relatively transparent then I will most likely abstain from buying one. On the other hand I tend to agree with Nicolas' statement, where he iterates that except the first card it would be hard to see farther into the pack. Wouldn't you only be able to see something like the casting cost?
My name isn't Lord nor is Fixed.
yes but that would be a way too obvious to bust it out, wouldn't it?I've done this to Fallen Empires packs. I had to stretch the wrapping material pretty far on some of them (enough so that it wouldn't snap back into place and you could see the top of the wrapper would be loose) but there may be less-abusive methods.
Mana Drain, Reset, Sylvan Library, Land Tax, and Underworld Dreams are all U1 uncommons in Legends, too, so you'd have a decent chance of getting something interesting. But with single packs going for (checks ebay) ~$50 a pop, I don't see how it's worthwhile.
If you know the first card it may be possible (especially for older sets) to determine what cards have a chance of being in the back based off of print run pattens.
awesome
I bought an antiquities pack once and the best card was a 3.00 urza's tower. Old sets aren't really worth the money for the packs imo. There is too much of a statistical chance to pull absolute crap unless i suppose you got some a/b/u or summer magic packs.
I would love to read more about this. Can you elaborate ?
My Fallen Empires booster hides Fecal Thallid. Awesome typo. ~NC
I believe that it is also possible to search through Legends.
Was this even a real Skeggi's hero?Lol. You're my hero.
I just noticed how much that image looks like (old) force of nature...
Hello friend.
I've searched packs of Italian Legends without opening them.
When in doubt, mumble.
When in trouble, delegate.
I would go with Legends.
2 Reasons
1. The rares in Legends generally are worth more out of that set. Moat, Abyss, Mirror, and the random gold legends in some cases are worth it. Typically, you can get a few money uncommons and commons. Mana Drain is an uncommon, Chain Lightning fetches a nice price still for a common.
2. The best reason is in Legends even if you search the pack it's rough to see the uncommons. Especially in boxes that had Drains in them. It can be done, but it's a bitch to do. Trust me I've done it, but it's not worth the time to do it and have the pack still look good. It's possible to get a Mana Drain out of packs even searched because it's so hard to do.
Lastly, drafting Legends is hilarious. Not so much with Antiquities. Legends tends to draft with other horrid sets like Ice Age and Mirage well just because you get utter and complete crap for commons to try and make a deck out of. It's funny to end up playing crap cards no one in their right mind would normally draft.
Creatures in those sets were tricky to pack sometimes as it was a lot more random without drafting in mind when they designed the pack layouts. Sometimes you can get a pack without creatures at all!
Antiquities tends to have things that are just flat useless even mixed with a couple other sets. It might work if you used Mirrodin or something, but it's so artifact orientated, it just isn't fun to try and play with out of the pack.
So sure buying searched packs happens. It's hard to avoid. I wouldn't count on getting a Moat or something spectacular anyway. Even unsearched that was a hard card to pack and I packed my share of Legends when it was new. Even searched you still have a chance of breaking even as people will keep together ones that don't have the cards that are worth more than keeping it sealed. That's not much. Tabernacle, Moat, and well yeah, that's about it. So searching doesn't yeild much nowadays.
Is the rare usually the third card down making the chase card undetectable?
My memory is foggy. I remember the rares/uncommons being in the MIDDLE of the pack of Legends. Alpha-Fallen Empires packs are all searchable. There's too much space where the white border goes before the colored part (I would just laugh at the prospect of seeing someone search a pack of Fallen Empires). 4th Ed/Ice Age went over the top with the gold/silver foil. Just buy singles :)
The rare was the 3rd to the last card and then the two uncommons in Legends. Though I guess that's even speculative since they weren't real consistent anyway. Remember how half the boxes that went out only had one set of uncommons and the other half of the boxes had the other half of them. So you could feasibly get a box with like 15 Mana Drains in it and then another with none.
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