I agree with Alu.. Bant decks were something I've had trouble in the past. I've beaten aggro loam several times before but it wasn't easy. Bant decks have every little thing that you wouldn't like. And noble hierarchs are annoying because they provide exalted and mana. Even though you blow up their lands they still have the noble hierarchs which can help them win. Choke in sb is my best card against them and maybe defense grid. Other than that.. I have no idea how to deal with them.
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In the tournament I mentioned early, in my first match against a survibant I started with choke and opponent first turn was taiga and hierarch ;-p. In the second match against bant, opponent played some hierarchs and choke doesn't avoid opponent to play everything. In my third match against a bant deck I finally side in other cards instead instead chokes xD
Choke does nothing to this deck and if its a survival Bant does NOTHING XD
This is why in the first moment against this deck I was thinking in a card that does anything against green creatures (not only for hierarch, but also for qasali, goyf, warmonk...) Then my first thought was hibernation, but I think that destroy the creatures is better than put them into hand so maybe perish is the card we are seeking.
Oh! Another card I would like to test in side is Wash out for its versatility.
I think that the new biggest threat is from bant counter top, and bant NO to as they can gat a 3 or 4 drop on top very easily now, and that just ruins your day.
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I don't agree with that, Its near impossible that they could activate top with 3 fields MD and 1 in side.
I agree I've had problems with that list due to the amount of three and four drops. I would if we should pack some more five and six drops. I was looking a austrie command to deal with their boys and wipe counterbalance off the board.
seems like an awful choice... its too expensive and hits our own stuff. I cant think of anything else better off the top of my head though.
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your right ghostly prison, o ring. Why didnt I see that. :\
Maybe it is not the time of period for stax.. when people expect it least we all bring our stax decks and whoop everyone! :D But yea.. I am fresh out of ideas for sideboard cards against bant ct or survival besides the ones I have already said :'(
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Why not just make it so they can't attack you?
Seems like Ghostly Prison/Propaganda + Armageddon's good unless they have two hierarchs? And if you've got a Magus or what not out they might not be able to keep those.
The main problem against Bant decks is that you need almost all the cards the deck has, so we have to see first witch cards you could quit and then put the cards you want in.
In my list i think the cards I could quit are Trinispheres and Baneslayer angel. Then I prefer put Defense grid because counterspells and Tsunami instead chokes.
So:
-3 Trinisphere +3 Defense grid
-2 Baneslayer Angel +2 Tsunami
This way you have a card that is better against counters (with grid fows cost the same that with sphere and daze cost 3 and a land) and meanwhile we have 6 geddon effects to destroy its lands.
What matchups have you found the fields to be useless or near useless? I debting at this weekends tournament to maindeck them.Originally Posted by Al-ucard
No chance at all against Bant.
Maybe some of the cards below may help?
Wrath of God -> Get rid of annoying Hierarchs faster than Smokestack
Maze of Ith -> Keep the biggest exalted creature in control
Parallax Wave -> Interesting old school Angel Stompy card, buys time against Zoo too.
Basically combo, decks without fetchlands (dredge comes to mind). Put them MD, you will not regret, first turn suppresion its near GG against a lot of decks.
Al-ucard, do you put smokestax in the board, if not what do you side for different matchups? thanks.
I don't play smokestacks, they are too slow to play against ant, zoo and Bant with retainer/iona decks (basically my meta)
I chose to main Suppresion fieilds like you suggested and I was so happy with the result. It feels so much like a second chalice. It was amazing. After playing it the whole tournament I just realized how dead smokestack really is. Four mana and wait a turn to do anything, ugg.
Round one against reanimater was a cake walk. My life total never dipped below twenty both games. Round two was the grinder, Lands. I had him both games had I drawn into at least one armageddon. Guess what, I didnt. We went to time with a draw. Suppresion field against lands is just plain ugly. round three was zoo, how I hate zoo, he took me 2-1. Always just one more turn alway from stabilizing. I have only ever lost to zoo in tournaments before with this deck. Round four, Dredge, this is such a bad matchup for dredgel. Game one even is bad for them. What am I missing with zoo? theres got to be something or something im not doing right, suggestions. thanks.
Against zoo you only need to draw chalice/prison/magus to have time until you play geddon and then you will stabilize, and if you have suppresion in play its near GG. Maybe you have bad luck...
Actually I'm tinkering with an aggro stax deck, maybe I will play with it next weekend in a big tournament.
how many magus do you run in your build?
Now I'm playing with 4 magus and 2 baneslayer angel. Magus is one of the 2 cards that seals the game, the other is Armageddon XD
I think it is crucial for us to get The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale due to all the aggro around. The thing is.. that ONE card is about the price of 4 baneslayers :( maybe more.
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