Hi! I am playing around with White Stax and I had the following scenario come up:
I have Tabernacle At Pendrell Vale out and a Smokestack with a counter. It's my opponent's turn. If they have a creature they cannot pay for with Tabernacle, I want them to sacrifice to Smokestack after they pay for the church, so that they wouldn't get a freebie permanent to sacrifice.
My thinking is that with active player, nonactive player rules, the Smokestack trigger comes last on the pile of mandatory effects.
If I control the Tabernacle's trigger, then I will make them pay for it first and then sacrifice, which I know I can do from playing lots of Stax with Tangle Wire and Stax on the board at the same time.
However, does the opponent control the Tabernacle trigger? It gives each creature that ability and doesn't levy it on its own, so I would assume that since it's your creature, you have control as the active player.
Is there any way that my opponent could sacrifice to the Smokestack before they pay for Tabernacle?
Also, if the Tabernacle effect is controlled by them as active player, can they ever choose to pay for Tabernacle before sacrificing? This is mostly irrelevant because they can float mana to pay for the effect, but I'm curious!
Their creature, their trigger.Originally Posted by hi-val
They have to sacrifice before they pay, your trigger resolves first.Is there any way that my opponent could sacrifice to the Smokestack before they pay for Tabernacle?
The trigger is controlled by them since it came from their permanent. They have to sacrifice before they pay, your trigger resolves first.Also, if the Tabernacle effect is controlled by them as active player, can they ever choose to pay for Tabernacle before sacrificing? This is mostly irrelevant because they can float mana to pay for the effect, but I'm curious!
“It's possible. But it involves... {checks archives} Nature's Revolt, Opalescence, two Unstable Shapeshifters (one of which started as a Doppelganger), a Tide, an animated land, a creature with Fading, a Silver Wyvern, some way to get a creature into play in response to stuff, some way to get a land into play in response to stuff (a different land from the animated land), and one heck of a Rube Goldberg timing diagram.”
-David DeLaney
You're saying that my trigger resolves first, but I'm the non-active player. How does that work with APNAP? I would think the triggers would be their Tabernacle trigger, my Smokestack, so they resolve Tabernacle and then Smokestack. Is that right? Is APNAP obsolete? It's their turn, their Tabernacle trigger and my Smokestack...
Triggers are put on the stack in APNAP order, so the NAP's triggers will be on the top of the stack, and resolve first.
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I think you're confused about what APNAP acutally means. APNAP indicates that the Non-active player's abilities are put on the stack last thus resolve first.
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Nothing beats posting the actual rule:
101.4. If multiple players would make choices and/or take actions at the same time, the active player (the player whose turn it is) makes any choices required, then the next player in turn order (usually the player seated to the active player's left) makes any choices required, followed by the remaining nonactive players in turn order. Then the actions happen simultaneously. This rule is often referred to as the "Active Player, Nonactive Player (APNAP) order" rule.
The choices that need to happen at the same time in this case are the order of simultaneous triggers being put on the stack. As Julian said, since the NAP put his triggers on the stack second, they will be on top and resolve first.
“It's possible. But it involves... {checks archives} Nature's Revolt, Opalescence, two Unstable Shapeshifters (one of which started as a Doppelganger), a Tide, an animated land, a creature with Fading, a Silver Wyvern, some way to get a creature into play in response to stuff, some way to get a land into play in response to stuff (a different land from the animated land), and one heck of a Rube Goldberg timing diagram.”
-David DeLaney
Aha, thanks to everyone who helped!
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