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  1. #1261
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    Re: [Deck] Death and Taxes

    I am hoping to pick up my 3 Hatebears this weekend. I am not 100% on what I want to replace though. My current options are 3 Harriers or 2 Aven Mindsensors/1 E. Tutur. ATM, I will be taking out my Harriers.

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    Re: [Deck] Death and Taxes

    Placed 3rd for the second week in a row, was a good tourney. I had another D+T player for T4, although he was playing a Wg version of the deck.

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    Re: [Deck] Death and Taxes

    First time to post here, do you guys think that the new sword warrants a spot in the board?

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    Re: [Deck] Death and Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by mrjumbo03 View Post
    First time to post here, do you guys think that the new sword warrants a spot in the board?
    I'm still having doubts on SoLaS (over another jitte), so I would say no. I don't see many MUs where I would want it over another equip, and I really don't want to randomly draw into it.
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  5. #1265

    Re: [Deck] Death and Taxes

    I think SoLaS vs. SoBaM is a meta thing. SoLaS stops Swords and Path, two of the most commonly played removal spells. It also stops some less common black spells like Smother. The creature recursion is handy and the life can be handy vs. some decks. I'd prefer to keep the new sword in the SB.

  6. #1266

    Re: [Deck] Death and Taxes

    I don't see the new sword being good, of at least being better than the old ones, but I might be wrong as I haven't tried it yet. However, IMO it can be a good meta call, against ug madness for example. I would only consider it if your meta is filled with those kind of decks.

    Has anybody tried the Arbiter yet? In my testing it has been doing pretty well, eating removal like a champ. In some matchups, when it sticks under the Mother's embrace, it can be quite stellar. In some matchups (namely Merfolk) he doesn't do anything and gets swiftly sided out.

  7. #1267

    Re: [Deck] Death and Taxes

    Yeah, it's not good in some matchups and will be something to side out in mono-color. In a lot of those cases, I think it'd be a good idea to bring in something like Wing Shards or Kitchen Finks against merfolk and goblins/whatnot. I've found Wing Shards in particular to be a good card, especially if you happen to have 4 mana open so you can StP to build up storm.

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    Re: [Deck] Death and Taxes

    1 Jitte and 1 of each Sword is working well for me. But then again, almost everone in my meta plays a different deck (with the exception of the other D+T player).

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    Re: [Deck] Death and Taxes

    any playtest news regarding the leonin arbiter?

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    Re: [Deck] Death and Taxes

    So far it looks like she will be replacing my 3x Ethersworn Canonists in the sideboard. I really can't think of anything I would take out in the maindeck for it.

  11. #1271

    Re: [Deck] Death and Taxes

    I'm just cutting Goldmeadow Harrier. I don't think it warrants removing the equipment toolbox. That was one suggestion I was given.

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    Re: [Deck] Death and Taxes

    Are you running Moms then?

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    Yeah. 4x Mother of Runes is a most in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penguinizer View Post
    Here's a list I'm thinking of running when I get my hands on the Hatebears:
    10x Plains
    4x Karakas
    4x Wasteland
    3x Mishra's Factory

    4x Mother of Runes
    2x Goldmeadow Harrier
    4x Serra Avenger
    3x Stoneforge Mystic
    3x Leonin Arbiter
    2x Jötun Grunt
    4x Flickerwisp
    3x Mangara of Corondor

    4x Aether Vial
    4x Swords to Plowshares
    Umezawa's Jitte
    3x Oblivon Ring
    Sword of Fire and Ice
    Sword of Light and Shadow

    SB:
    3x Wing Shards
    3x Tormod's Crypt
    3x Kitchen Finks
    3x Ethersworn Canonist (Or anything really. No real idea as to what run here.)
    1x Leonin Arbiter
    1x Sword of Body and Mind
    1x Jötun Grunt

    2x Jötun Grunt in the MB with 1 in the side, combined with 3x Crypt, should be sufficient gravehate for a lot of matchups. 7 hatebears post-side with mana-denial should make the combo matchup a bit more bearable. Wing Shards has proven itself a fantastic card against Aggro, and Kithen Finks also helps in that matchup. The Sword is in the SB so I can switch swords around depending on the matchup. Otherwise, fairly standard build.

    I could probably cut Goldmeadow Harrier completely, but I still like it in some matchups. I could possibly remove the sword in favor of a third on in the SB. This depends largely on the meta at the time, as well as how the sword performs.
    How can you run both stoneforge mystic AND leonin arbiter? Isn't that really anti-synergistic?

  15. #1275

    Re: [Deck] Death and Taxes

    Not really, especially if you can vial in the Mystic.

    I'm testing Leonin in my GW build at the moment. He's good, but I still don't know how much. I need more testing.

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    Re: [Deck] Death and Taxes

    You don't run fetches in your GW build? because if you do, you're not getting 100% efficiency from the arbiter...i'd say the mono-W gets about 90% because it still affects stoneforge but at least the deck doesn't run fetches...i'm all for MD-ing arbiter as well because it just randomly beats people due to not being able to fetch alone, or at least it eats a counter or a removal immediately... is it too much of a stretch to go up to 4 arbiters? they do stack unlike the long forgotten hate bear in its place before, the canonist...any thoughts?

  17. #1277

    Re: [Deck] Death and Taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by HAL View Post
    How can you run both stoneforge mystic AND leonin arbiter? Isn't that really anti-synergistic?
    It is insanely anti-synergistic. However, Mystic into Sword practically wins the Merfolk matchup by itself. It also greatly increases our chances against goblins. I believe that the Mystic toolbox is far too useful to remove.

  18. #1278

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penguinizer View Post
    It is insanely anti-synergistic. However, Mystic into Sword practically wins the Merfolk matchup by itself. It also greatly increases our chances against goblins. I believe that the Mystic toolbox is far too useful to remove.
    That's what I was getting at. The strongest part of the deck (IMO) is the equipment toolbox, so I think the arbiters are the ones we need to get rid of. I hate putting anti-synergistic cards in a deck. I know there are those of us that would run dark confidant and tombstalker together, but I'm not one those people.

  19. #1279

    Re: [Deck] Death and Taxes

    Except, HAL, that if you got an early Arbiter (or 2) lock on your opponent and prevent them from fixing their mana you should already be winning and Mystic becomes "win-more" rather than vital. You'll have plenty of time to draw into Jitte or SoFI while your opponent scrambles for basic lands. By that time you can even just pay the (2) to ignore the effect and go get your Jitte. And Tombstalker and Bob go fine in a deck together as long as you never flip Tombstalker over for Bob. ;)

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    Re: [Deck] Death and Taxes

    Deadpool is friggen awesome.

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