My only problem with this is the same as with any of the new constructed products, poor card choices. If you look at the last two multiplayer format decks, all of the decks are basically a random assortment of forgotten cards that nobody wants. It really feels like they don't want to put too many good cards in the decks, even if the cards will have almost no effect on the secondary market.
Take Fire and Lightning for example, they printed Chain Lightning, yet skipped other burn staples such as rift bolt, lava spike and magma jet. It seems like they feel the need to NOT make any competitive decks out of the box even though they clearly know what makes a deck competitive. I really doubt wizards' ability to choose cards we want for these decks.
I approve of this, basically the previous incompetent EDH rules committee needs a more reasonable and well-thought out banlist. It just pains to see their ban philosophies make no sense or contradict each other (e.g. cards that cost $$$ should be banned, oh hai Workshop, cards that are overly played and skew the format should be banned, oh hai metalworker and hai ROFLos who-was-unbanned-as-a-general).
Here's hoping WotC DCI actually does something useful with the banlist. I enjoy EDH but not when the rules aren't set solidly in stone. WotC will make it a little more competitive, which would point it in a more organized direction.
Sorry, what part of NOT AVAILABLE ANYWHERE ELSE do you guys fail to understand? With rat's nest, the precon just disappeared from the market. Imagine if that was the only way of getting Jitte?Originally Posted by kiblast
Mind you, I love this idea, and I will be buying at least one of these, if not all of them. But it is a small concern in the back of my mind.
Geez.
So, let me get this straight. Your problem is .... you think you might not get to buy one. So therefore it's bad? Wow. Self-center much?
Agree with you.
Let's say they print a some legacy stample in this EDH decks , then you need 4 of , so you need to buy 4 EDH "XYZ" Deck to use just 4 copies of this new stample but what happens when the stores have just 100 decks but there are 100 legacy players that wish to get FOUR copies of this deck.. hope this don't come truth.
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You guys are totally missing his point. First off I don't think this will be an issue but the potential is there. So he says availability was an issue with Rat's Nest which was true. I was totally willing to buy one well over retail at the time but despite everyone selling it for way over retail you couldn't find them anywhere. Now everyone is coming back with, "But there were still lots of Jitte's and Jace 2.0 this and that." Missing the point much?
Here's the scenario he's worried about. If something Legacy playable shows up in these packs it will be a 1x obviously since that's the entire point. Now imagine it's playable as a 4x. Now you have to buy 4x of these box sets to get a playset. Not only is that kind of expensive, but if everyone is going out and buying 4x of this one deck with the playable card and there are 5x different decks than one deck will sell out in record time while the other decks will sit on shelves for a while (no store owner is going to restock if only 1/5 of the decks are selling out, they will wait for the entire stock to deplete before restocking). All of a sudden there is a shortage of whatever card because it is maybe 2 of in a case of 10 precons. So say the average store buys 2 boxes and takes a month to sell all the precons. That means you see one playset per store per month of whatever chase card is in the deck if that (since some stores will take more than a month to sell out especially if 2 of the decks are way crappy). Big stores will sell out of the hot one basically the second the box hits the shelves since they will sell at retail regardless and the other decks will sit there even longer. So meanwhile there's a shortage, not like if Jace 2.0 was in a box set or the time Jitte was in a precon. Imagine if Jitte wasn't in a set and the only way to get it was from the precon and people wanted it as a 4x, that is the kind of shortage he's worried about.
Not saying I think it's going to happen, just saying that's the danger.
Edit - LOL I typed to slow, he already replied with basically the same thing I said.
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No, i don't think it's self centered. I think it's reasonable and valid that someone is worried about availability of potentially playable cards in limited run, pre-con decks that aren't in print in any other set. That's pretty valid. He's not saying that the idea is bad, but that the idea of the next Jace 2 or Vengevine being available only in a limited edition precon is pretty shitty, because the card value will make Jace 2 look cheap.
That's a format concern, not a self-centered "omg what if i can't get one."
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Fuck you Wizards. We'll call the format whatever we want. You didn't invent this one, control-freaks."You can buy one of these decks and play it out of the box, or cannibalize it for your existing EDH decks. Sorry, that should now be "your existing Magic: The Gathering Commander decks."
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No, get this straight, you're missing his point. It's not that he won't be able to buy it, everyone won't be able to buy it. If the card in the deck is in demand every store owner is going to know. First off that means the one deck will cost way more then the others ala Rat's Nest. Then the card in the deck would be super rare and only available in the deck everyone wants it, even people who don't plan on playing it. So everyone is asking the store owner to please let them be the first to buy it, many store owners will take the deck out of the box before displaying it and either sell it on Ebay or sell it to their friends who are begging them to buy it over retail. So the point is, if this were to happen you won't be able to buy it, I won't be able to buy it, he won't be able to buy it, no one will have a fair chance at getting the deck. There will be about one playset a month per store if that of whatever chase card and it will be up to the store owner if you even have a chance of buying it as it may never make it to shelves if demand is high enough.
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Magic: The Gathering Commander will be available in multiple languages. In addition to English, you'll be able to buy these decks in French, German, Italian, Japanese, and Spanish.
These are going to be expensive if there are a couple cards that are good. My guess is that there will be a couple of fringe playable cards within the 51 that they are printing. There will probably only be 1 or 2 cards that will be worthy of maindecks in legacy.
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LOL - nice cheat around that reserved list policy. Me likes
This. They can do functional reprints without worring about Standard and Extended.
Go dual with differents name FTW.
Are you people fucking kidding me? Let's try this scenario in a different light:
"There is a man on the corner giving out free popsicles. Person 1, yay, I like popsicles, and so do a lot of other people. This is good. Person 2, this is bad, I like popsicles, and I like that they're free, but if I'm not assured of the chance to get one, then I don't think anyone should have that chance. It's bad that he's giving out popsicles."
Yes, the second guy is you morons who think the decks are a bad idea. Congrats on being a bunch of useless motherfuckers who can't see the universe extending past their own nose.
You know what I'm terrified now? Card prices going even higher, and I mean cards that are Legacy AND EDH playable. Start grabbing more staples. Being an "official" WotC format will only make this 'dumb' yet fun format even more popular.
And I personally think Library of Alexandria is heading towards something insane soon. It has potential to be unbanned in Legacy, ME5 has printed them, and with WotC governing part of EDH rules, I can see LoA coming off the EDH banlist, and seriously jacking up some prices.
My opinions though :)
Oh and start grabbing tons of Mana Crypt/Sol Rings, unless they get banned in EDH from WotC's perspective. I wonder how sanctioned EDH tournaments will be, mostly 1v1/multiplayer? If it's 1v1, I actually dig this format. I love competitive 1v1 EDH. It's more 'fun' and broken than Legacy lol.
LOL, and what gives you that idea. LoA has potential to be unbanned in Legacy because? You guys do realize just because the same half-dozen people say Mana Drain and Library of Alexandria are safe to unban in every thread doesn't make it any more true. ME5 doesn't exist so I assume you mean ME4 which also has Sol Ring, Mana Vault, and Time Vault so I guess we can expect all those to change ban/restriction status soon as well? Oh wait, the only potential LoA has to be unbanned in Legacy is the same potential it's always had. Wizards could unban it if they wanted, but they are fairly conservative (see Land Tax) and there is absolutely no evidence AT ALL they are planning on doing that.
Also as far as new dual lands in these things that would be a nightmare as far as the unlikely but scary scenario already laid out in this thread, but the fact that Wizards is willing to print new cards that will not appear in T2 is a good sign for Eternal. Maybe one day we will see a Masters Edition IRL.
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Why would new duals a nightmare? Unless they print better version of the duals (impossible) the new dual would just add some offer on the market.
You should lay off the coke. It impairs your thinking. Read all those posts above you. Specifically where I said I LOVE THIS IDEA. I am concerned about the general populace of Magic players, because while I am certain I will get my playsets of those 51 cards, other people may not be so lucky.
Funny you should talk about noses, given your handle and all.
Let's look at a close precedent: Swords to Plowshares only being available through a coldsnap theme deck on MTGO. Did people shell out $50 for a playset of four? Yes. Was it fair? Questionable. OTOH, there wasn't a distribution problem with them having to print an equal amount of Kjeldorans and Auroch decks; they could sell as many of the former as there were buyers.
Yet additional ways to get StP eventually arrived. I'm guessing if any of these cards become a hit, they'll be endlessly reprinted but far enough apart to keep direct sales highly monetized. Fair? Questionable.
No, not random; a lot of the same cards show up over and over again. (Taurean Mauler, etc.) Which is kind of boring. "Hi I'm good only at multiplayer" cards can sort of suck that way.all of the decks are basically a random assortment of forgotten cards
As far as I know, and correct me if I'm wrong here, WotC never sells out of online product, as long as it's in print. The same is not true of paper products.
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