[DO NOT TRY TO SELL IN HERE] Pimp Legacy Decks

[sdematt]

You're a little off on the Beta dual prices, but it's expensive, holy cow.

Let's put it this way, if I've got foil Lightning Bolts and the Judge doesn't let me play them, you just do it anyway and have 4 regular bolts to show that you own other copies. Same as test foil Survivals: you'd just bring along regular Survivals proving you actually own the card, but are just playing with cards more expensive than the cars owned by the players in the room :P

-Matt

[Dark Ritual]

Wow...that is one expensive zoo deck. Good lord the textless foil test bolts and the summer magic kird apes...just wow. So much money in one deck. Talk about 5 figures in cardboard form lol. The most disappointing part of looking through that list? When I saw the chain lightnings. There was all that grandeur there and then it's like mud was thrown on it with those english chain lightnings. Not sure if there is any pimp version of chain lightning's though so if there isn't I can understand. Maybe get them altered or something?

Just looked up summer magic kird ape pricing and there's one on eBay for $459.98. Only one though; getting a playset is bound to cost you a kidney and a half looking for 4 physical copies.

[keys]

11 fetches and no Lynx makes me go huhh?

Pretty amazing deck though.

[lorddotm]

Grandeur, that deck is lame, I mean seriously just horrible. Have some class in your decks.

(Since the internet cannot decipher sarcasm, just letting you know I'm being sarcastic.)

[Alexeezay]

Omg now that I saw this uber Zoo Deck I probably give up collecting foil cards and stuff.

[Atwa]

The most disappointing part of looking through that list? When I saw the chain lightnings. There was all that grandeur there and then it's like mud was thrown on it with those english chain lightnings. Not sure if there is any pimp version of chain lightning's though so if there isn't I can understand. Maybe get them altered or something?

Alters in a deck with only normal cards seems a little meh to me. The only thing he could do to pimp them is going Italian Legends (I'd rather keep the english ones) or take the Fire & lightning foils. If I were foiling out the deck, I'd go for the F&L ones, but right now he got every card in the most expensive version possible. That's a pretty consistent (and damn awesome) theme, even though I agree they stand out a little.

[PanderAlexander]

The only thing he could do to pimp them is going Italian Legends (I'd rather keep the english ones).

I'd rather keep the English ones also, they are rarer than the Italian ones.

[lordofthepit]

That zoo deck is intimidating.

It's as "pimped" as you can get,and almost as intimidating; but pimpage only gets you so far: 2/3 for R isn't scary in Legacy even if it's signed by Atilla the Hun. ;-)

That said, amazing deck you got there. Black bordered English duals in pristine condition look especially sweet as always.

[oRen]

... but right now he got every card in the most expensive version possible.

regarding the price ...
summer duals > alpha duals
summer basics > guru

Black bordered English duals in pristine condition look especially sweet as always.

pristine =/= that

as said before ... playing those bolts seems a least a bit questionable ...

insane deck anyways

[sdematt]

Way to rain on Grandeur's parade, Oren :P

The duals are very nice condition, but true, not pack fresh. It doesn't matter, they're still REALLY nice :P

True, he doesn't have Summer Duals, but I think now we're just criticizing for the sake of criticizing, and not for any actual reason. Grandeur, they look very good.

As well, how are you going to find 4 copies of the same Summer Dual? Good luck with that, as if there isn't enough money in that deck already. The last Summer dual on Ebay was a Savannah that ended at ~1300, and the one before that was at least a year or more before. Not only expensive, THAT hard to find. It's like trying to find four Bin Ladens, not just one.

Impressive Zoo deck, Grandeur.

-Matt

[Occam]

Sometimes you just have to kick back and speak the truth, which is that the zoo deck is very nice. And that comes from a person who isn't easily impressed.

It does, however, make me feel like finally completing the decks I just started with or am nearing completion on to share with everyone.

P.S. The bolts are legal, and I won't question if the guy has summer duals. Just my advice.

[grandeur84]

True, he doesn't have Summer Duals, but I think now we're just criticizing for the sake of criticizing, and not for any actual reason. Grandeur, they look very good.

As well, how are you going to find 4 copies of the same Summer Dual? Good luck with that, as if there isn't enough money in that deck already. The last Summer dual on Ebay was a Savannah that ended at ~1300, and the one before that was at least a year or more before. Not only expensive, THAT hard to find. It's like trying to find four Bin Ladens, not just one.
-Matt

Actually I do, but I draw the line at playing with summer duals or the more expensive summer C & U. I actually thought long and hard about playing with a summer sol ring in my EDH but decided not to. Not willing to spoil the pristine conditions of some of my cards that I have, including the duals. I have the 4 summer taigas (took me 6 years to hunt down all 4), the 1 savannah for my zoo, but sadly only 1 out of the 3 plateaus needed, but still I cant bear to play them. I don't like the look of summer basics so they are just sitting inside my album, guru just looks way better.

I'll post a favourite deck of mine later, nowhere near the zoo deck but not too shabby either. Its non-legacy though.

Merry xmas everyone.

[sdematt]

Grandeur, do you own the partially torn Summer Taiga? I know it's floating around somewhere, but I haven't seen it on the market in a few years, and was wondering where it got to.

Also, I know this keeps coming up, but approx. how many of each Summer rare are there? ~25?

-Matt

[(nameless one)]

Better yet, please showcase your summer collection here.

[alphacat]

P.S. The bolts are legal, and I won't question if the guy has summer duals. Just my advice.

Nah, man, they're not.

Quoting rules 3.3: Players may use any cards from special sets, supplements, and promotional printings that, unaltered, meet the following conditions.

It's not printed from any of these sets and for any of these purposely despite being blackboardered.

Most importantly, quoting rule 3.5: The official text of any card is the Oracle text corresponding to the name of the card.

The card has no text, just a red mana and the picture of lightning bolt. It doesn't have ANY name to be identified by, thus, by DCI, the card can very well be blank.

Lastly, you can't play it, and show the judge 4 copies of Bolt on the side. Proxies are only allowed when your card is damaged during the tournament, and only by the decree of a judge.

Anyway, this could very well be legal in friendly games, or in a local tourny with a lax judge, just not on a DCI level. However, the statement that the bolts are just 'legal, period' is completely false.

[Nelis]

Personally I don't see why one couldn't play the Bolts, I cant read the Asian ones either so how do I know if they're the real deal? I still have to recognize them by the way they look so why can that not be the same in this case?

Anyway, I just wanted to point out that its possible to get Foil Chain Lightnings. They're in the Premium Deck Series: Fire & Lightning.
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazin...ily/arcana/477

[dahcmai]

And to think I had a chance at one time to pick up several dozen of those bolts for $100 apiece at one time. Never thought they would be worth more than that. Moxes were barely that expensive at the time.

[birds of paradise2]

And to think I had a chance at one time to pick up several dozen of those bolts for $100 apiece at one time. Never thought they would be worth more than that. Moxes were barely that expensive at the time.

I'd love to see your land deck dahcmai. I'm a big 43 land fan, and a pimped out one isn't something you see very often.

[alphacat]

It isn't printed in any of those sets, but if you'd known any better, or bothered to ask, I would have told you that while these cards are typically referred to as "textless saga" or something along those lines, they are actually test prints for foil promos, which is why there is a foil promo version of all those cards. This, like summer magic, is also officially recognised by Wizards as they were partially released by a legitimate mistake.

You don't have to tell me what they are 'referred to' in the collector circuit, it doesn't matter.. They are NOT a promo version of anything. It's not an official Wizards product, and not officially released. They are 'recognized' to the extend that Wizards admit it's from their factory, that's it.

Now that we've moved past that, rule 3.5 states

Players have the right to request access to the official wording of a card only if they can uniquely identify that card, although the card does not necessarily have to be identified by name.

So no, there is no requirement for a name, just that the card can be identified, and like the recent textless promos, these are all identifiable by their pictures. The only possible problem is if their textless nature is used to mislead in any way, but that is a problem that alters face as well, and likely face to a far greater extent.

In conclusion, if we're arguing semantics, these will not be "legal, period". But they are legal the vast majority of the time, and the only times they aren't are typicalyl due to fraudulent intentions.

Which recent textless promo is without a name, please refresh my memory.

If you're gonna bother quoting anything for your argument, please at least not quote out of context, and at least read what you quote. Here's the entire paragraph:

The official text of any card is the Oracle text corresponding to the name of the card. Players have the right to request access to the official wording of a card only if they can uniquely identify that card, although the card does not necessarily have to be identified by name. That request will be honored if logistically possible.

Let me break it down to toddler terms:

Sentence 1. A card's official text is defined by the name on the card.
Sentence 2. If a player wants to access the Oracle, they have to be able to identify which card they want to look up, it doesn't have to be by name.
Sentence 3. Wizards will let you look up Oracle text if they are able to.

Now, do you understand? Sentence 2 and 3 have nothing at all to do with the argument at hand. You completely misinterpreted the rule.

Now, I'm not arguing 'semantics' with you. All I'm trying to do is to stop you from spreading false information. I'm sure you're an experienced collector, and what not. However, that doesn't give you the rights to spread bogus information and make it sound like it's the absolute truth. I will not stand by letting you spread information that could lead to a potential DQ.

[alphacat]

Players have the right to request access to the official wording of a card only if they can uniquely identify that card, although the card does not necessarily have to be identified by name.

I really can't believe you CONTINUE to quote and misinterpret 3.5 after I clearly broke it down for you.... It's not even the sentence that you've taken out of context, now you've decided to ignore the first part of the sentence, and take the second SEGMENT of the sentence out of context.... It's getting ridiculous.

There's really nothing to argue if you choose to ignore facts and misrepresent clearly stated rules.

If you'd started off by saying that consulting the head judge was the best move, sure. But you didn't, and so we have a debate based on semantics here.

Well, it was actually you who started off stating that those bolts are legal without a shadow of doubt.

If I may quote myself for a second here:

Anyway, this could very well be legal in friendly games, or in a local tourny with a lax judge, just not on a DCI level. However, the statement that the bolts are just 'legal, period' is completely false.

My stance, from the very beginning was, it could be legal among friends and small local tournies. However, if you play it in higher level tourney, you could be called out on it and receive a warning or DQ. Like I said, if the head judge is lax, you might be able to get away with it. However, bring those to a higher level tourney, and you'll see how many times you get a judge call for it.