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    The Phyrexian Negator is

    BBBB
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    Trample
    Whenever a source damages ~, that source's controller sacrifices that many permanents.

    Holy ****, that's awesome.

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    Re: [SPOILERS] New Phyrexia

    As a diehard mono-white control player, these got me excited:

    Phyrexian ~ 2W

    Enchantment

    Having 0 or less life doesn't cause you to lose the game.

    Whenever a source that would deal damage to you would bring your life below 0, that source deals that much poison counters instead.
    That's an uncommon! Time to get some Leeches!

    Also, Stoneforge Mystic has a new partner in crime:

    Mirran Paladin WW

    Creature - (undetermined)

    Whenever an equipment enters the battlefield under your control, draw a card

    Metalcraft - Equip on your equipment costs 0 instead

    2/2
    EDIT: Leeches won't work with the above card :(
    I am convinced that WotC is "dumbing" the game because of all the stupid posts they come across on MTG-related forums
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morbid- View Post
    They're doing a pretty good job on MTGS translating so far. Notably,

    Karn, the Savior - 7
    Planeswalker - Karn (M)

    +4: Target player exiles a card from his or her hand.
    -3: Exile target permanent.
    -14: "Set aside all non-aura permanents exiled by Karn, The Exiled, then restart the game. Then put all cards set aside *that you do not own* this way onto the battlefield under your control."
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    Apparently they missed the bolded part..

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    Re: [SPOILERS] New Phyrexia

    Quote Originally Posted by (nameless one) View Post
    As a diehard mono-white control player, these got me excited:



    That's an uncommon! Time to get some Leeches!

    Also, Stoneforge Mystic has a new partner in crime:



    EDIT: Leeches won't work with the above card :(
    It will, you just have to Donate it first, heh.

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    Re: [SPOILERS] New Phyrexia

    Puresteel Paladin

    When an equipment enters the battlefield under your control, you may draw a card.
    Metalcraft - Equipments cost 0 to equip.
    2/2

    Looks like Stoneforger Mystic found a new fried. More living weapons are going to be in the set, too.

    Edit:
    Praetor's Grip
    Sorcery
    Choose an opponent. Search that player's library for a card, reveal it and exile it.
    That player shuffles his library. As long as that card is exiled, you may look at it and play it.

    Could have interesting uses as well.

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    Re: [SPOILERS] New Phyrexia

    Quote Originally Posted by Nessaja View Post
    Apparently they missed the bolded part..
    So it's like Shahrazad with Leyline permanents? I think control decks can pull that.
    I am convinced that WotC is "dumbing" the game because of all the stupid posts they come across on MTG-related forums
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    Finglonger plays Spell Pierce from his hand.
    [10:22:43]  13NoVa: lol
    sure
    Finglonger points from his Dack Fayden to 13NoVa's Sol Ring.
    [10:23:04]  13NoVa: lol dumb ******; nice draws with retard.dec
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    Re: [SPOILERS] New Phyrexia

    I'm leaning towards calling fake on those. It's weird that they're all rares, for one thing. They have that mix of unoriginal but needlessly convoluted and overpowered that tends to mark fanbrew cards. Why is Karn a destroying machine? He's a pacifist. Why print Caged Sun when Gauntlet of Power already exists? Why even print the new Negator? He's busted as all fuck. Why reprint Nightmare Lash when it's among the cards that Mark Rosewater said he really wishes hadn't been printed? Why would Fresh Meat be printed as a sorcery?

    Praetor's Grip is only really interesting and elegant design there. The only reason I'd lean towards maybe believing these are real, though, is the Phyrexian "alternate" mana symbol, which seems like something that Wizards might actually do, that someone trying to fake cards wouldn't take a risk on. But cards like Screamwhip and Phyrexian Canceller I just can't see being printed.
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    Re: [SPOILERS] New Phyrexia

    All translated.

    Chancellor of the Furnace
    4RRR
    5/5
    Creature - (Giant)
    At the beginning of the game, if ~ is in your hand, you may reveal it and put a 1/1 red goblin creature with Haste on the battlefield.
    When this enters the battlefield, put X 1/1 red goblin creatures with Haste onto the battlefield, where X is the number of creatures you control.

    Chancellor of the Dross
    4BBB
    6/6
    Creature - (Vampire)
    Flying, Lifelink
    At the beginning of the game, if ~ is in your hand, you may reveal it. If you do, at the beginning of your first upkeep, you may have each opponent lose 3 life. Gain life equal to the life lost this way.

    Praetor's Grip
    1BB
    Sorcery
    Search your opponent's deck for a card and exile it facedown. While it's exiled this way, you may look at it and play it as though it were in your hand.

    Urabrask, the Hidden
    Legendary Creature - Praetor
    4/4
    Creatures you control have Haste.
    Creatures your opponents control enter the battlefield tapped.

    BB
    Enchantment - Aura
    Enchant creature
    Enchanted creature has Infect.
    At the beginning of your upkeep, put a -1/-1 counter on enchanted creature.
    When enchanted creature goes to the graveyard from the battlefield, return ~ to its owner's hand.

    4U
    Enchantment
    When ~ enters the battlefield, choose a creature type.
    Creatures you control are the chosen type in addition to their other creature types.

    Phyrexian Canceller
    BBBB
    Creature - Horror
    5/5
    Trample
    Whenever a source deals damage to ~, that source's controller sacrifices that many permanents.

    Karn the Released (?)
    (mana cost) 7
    Planeswalker - Karn
    +4: Target player exiles a card from his or her hand.
    -3: Exile target permanent.
    -14: Set aside all non-aura permanents exiled by Karn, then restart the game. After that, put into the battlefield under your control all cards set aside this way.
    (loyalty) 6

    Caged Sun
    6
    When Caged Sun enters the battlefield, choose a color.
    Creatures you control of the chosen color have +1/+1.
    Whenever you tap a land for mana, add one mana of the chosen color to your mana pool.

    Puresteel Paladin
    WW
    2/2
    Creature - Human Knight
    Whenever an Equipment enters the battlefield under your control, you may draw a card.
    Metalcraft - As long as you control 3 or more artifacts, equip costs of equipment you control is 0.

    Norn's Annex
    3PP
    Artifact
    (P may be paid for with either W or 2 life.)
    Creatures can't attack you or Planeswalkers you control unless their controller pays P for each attacking creature.

    2W
    Enchantment
    You do not lose the game for having 0 or less life.
    While you are at 0 or less life, all sources of damage to you gains Infect.

    "Psychological Surgery"
    1U
    Enchantment
    Whenever an opponent shuffles his library, you may look at the top 2 cards of your library. You may exile one of them, then put them back on top of your library in any order.

    "Spellsplitter"
    2
    0/4
    Artifact Creature
    P: Target spell that targets a single creature targets ~ instead.
    (P may be paid for with either U or 2 life.)

    4
    Artifact - Equipment
    Living Weapon
    Equip PP (P may be paid for with either B or 2 life.)
    Equipped creature has +1/+1 for each Swamp you control.

    Hex Parasite
    1
    Artifact Creature - Insect(?)
    1/1
    XP: Target a permanent. Remove up to X counters from that permanent. ~ gains +1/+0 until end of turn for each counter removed this way.

    3G
    Instant
    This turn, whenever a creature goes to the graveyard from the battlefield, put a 3/3 green Beast creature token onto the battlefield.

    3P
    Artifact
    (P may be paid for with either G or 2 life.)

    1P, T, sacrifice a creature: Search your library for a creature with CMC equal to or less than the sacrificed creature's. Put that creature into play, then shuffle your library. Play this ability only when you can play a Sorcery.

    3RR
    3/2
    Creature - Insect
    When ~ enters the battlefield, exile target a land.
    Whenever an opponent plays a land with the same name, ~ deals 2 damage to him or her.

    R
    */*
    Creature - Construct
    ~'s power and toughness are each equal to the number of artifact cards in all graveyards.

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    Re: [SPOILERS] New Phyrexia

    Quote Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin View Post
    But cards like Screamwhip and Phyrexian Canceller I just can't see being printed.
    Blightsteel Colossus and Inkmoth Nexus beg to differ. Recycling at its finest.

    IIRC, Karn already stopped being a pacifist when the Invasion War began. Plus, he was corrupted by Phyrexian oil.

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    Re: [SPOILERS] New Phyrexia

    Looks a little unbelievable mainly because the mechanics seem clunky and abilities are a little too complicated. WotC R&D has been working towards making cards be less complicated in order to appease the casual crowd.

    Karn is nice in EDH obviously, but could be a great out for Meandeck MUD against Null Rod. 7 mana to use two Vindicate is also great in a deck that plays out 7 mana on turn 1-2.

    Norn's Annex seems brutal in EDH!!

    I would totally play black suicide in Legacy if Phyrexian Cancellor is for real. Although BBBB is a hindrance in the format.
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    Re: [SPOILERS] New Phyrexia

    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    Blightsteel Colossus and Inkmoth Nexus beg to differ. Recycling at its finest.

    IIRC, Karn already stopped being a pacifist when the Invasion War began. Plus, he was corrupted by Phyrexian oil.
    Darksteel Colossus and Blinkmoth Nexus were popular cards. Nightmare Lash... wasn't. In fact, Rosewater openly complained about its existence. And the new version would offer almost no changes at all to the original printing, and certainly wouldn't fix the color dependency.

    Also, this Karn clearly isn't corrupted, so that's not really an argument.
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    Re: [SPOILERS] New Phyrexia

    I don't think Planeswalker Karn's ability is destructive. It's exiling the permanent (just like Swords to Plowshares).

    If you think of it, he's more like an Ark (like Noah's Ark). Exile a permanent from a hand or the field, only to be brought into a new world (the flavor of having a new game).

    Flavorwise, he's essentially creating a new world/environment the way he sees it (with his chosen ones)
    I am convinced that WotC is "dumbing" the game because of all the stupid posts they come across on MTG-related forums
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    13NoVa plays Force of Will from his hand.
    Finglonger plays Spell Pierce from his hand.
    [10:22:43]  13NoVa: lol
    sure
    Finglonger points from his Dack Fayden to 13NoVa's Sol Ring.
    [10:23:04]  13NoVa: lol dumb ******; nice draws with retard.dec
    stupid cocksucker
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    You can always, always spot fakes by mistakes in templating or layout. Unfortunately, since the cards are in Japanese, this becomes significantly harder.

    The scans posted are clearly scans and I don't see any obvious mistakes, so it's I'd say it's likely they're real. I'm trying to find the tool I had a link to that can analyze photoshopping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by plus_ten View Post
    All translated.



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    Phyrexian Canceller is strictly better than Phyrexian Negator, if it's as printed, and could be used.

    Too bad they reintroduced Forecast, only to make it worse. :(
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin View Post
    Darksteel Colossus and Blinkmoth Nexus were popular cards. Nightmare Lash... wasn't. In fact, Rosewater openly complained about its existence. And the new version would offer almost no changes at all to the original printing, and certainly wouldn't fix the color dependency.

    Also, this Karn clearly isn't corrupted, so that's not really an argument.
    Well, the second part isn't, but the first is- Karn did give up his pacifism around the time of Invasion.

    (on a somewhat related note, the whole Karn being corrupted thing was a horrible retcon from the start)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dschalter View Post
    Well, the second part isn't, but the first is- Karn did give up his pacifism around the time of Invasion.

    (on a somewhat related note, the whole Karn being corrupted thing was a horrible retcon from the start)
    As if Infect wasn't? This block is just weak sauce in general. It's starting to become apparent that R&D is running out of good ideas. Hence, GDS 1 and 2.
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    Re: [SPOILERS] New Phyrexia

    The colorshifted Conspiracy pretty much locks for me that either these cards are fake, or this set is trash.
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    The Karn Planeswalker seems awesome.

    But I'm excited about this..

    "Phyrexian Unlife"
    2W
    Enchantment
    You do not lose the game for having 0 or less life.
    While you are at 0 or less life, all sources of damage to you gains Infect.

    Does this shut down Tendrils of Agony?!! Life loss is not damage after all.

    Even if not, basically, you gain 10 life by spending 3 mana. I know lifegain is typically meh, but this seems strong enough to warrant consideration. I think Ghostly Prison might be better though, except against the burn matchup.

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    It's not fake. Way too much effort went into these. Just the art alone...

    Quote Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin View Post
    The colorshifted Conspiracy pretty much locks for me that either these cards are fake, or this set is trash.
    If anything, this (and the large number of meh cards in the leak) confirms to me the set is real. Why would someone go to the effort of faking a colorshifted Conspiracy?

    Edit: The MBC player in me also likes this card...

    "Screamwhip"
    4
    Artifact - Equipment
    Living Weapon
    Equip PP (P may be paid for with either B or 2 life.)
    Equipped creature has +1/+1 for each Swamp you control.


    It's a living weapon, so it's a decent beater in it's own right.

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    Re: [SPOILERS] New Phyrexia

    I'm pretty sure MaRo has said that Karn has been corrupted, and if you've seen the video for New Phyrexia, it also states that Karn is back, "Savior...Destroyer." Just to reinforce that he is no longer a pacifist.
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