Sure but the reasons Mox was dismissed are still actual. You dont want to throw buisness into it. And of course, the value of cards usually decrease over the years. Thx to powercreep.Originally Posted by Guy I Don't Know
@MM Im fine with it in the later turns (against most decks) because 1cc spot removal is everywhere, along with other annoying stuff like SDT.
Since im testing a monoR list with it atm, the lifeloss isnt an issue, but im not that happy running the deck w/o fetchlands. I get flooded more often and ringleader is worse too.
Food Chain Goblins is the future of goblins in legacy! =D
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Here's an idea. Tell me if I'm right or not.
Goblins can play Mental Misstep because Chrome Mox works in Goblins too.
What the hell?
Chrome Mox takes a Goblin out of your hand (either CM sits in your hand, dead, OR you play it and remove a card).
Mental Misstep takes a Goblin out of your hand (through sheer virtue of not being a Goblin)
Therefor, if decks with Chrome Mox are viable, decks with MM should be viable too.
I'm not saying you should run both in the same deck. That seems obviously bad.
I know MM has been talked into the ground, but I'm very interested to see how it works. I haven't had the time to play for the past month, so I'm excited to see how MM works in a Goblin MD.
Actually, chrome mox takes 2 goblins out of your hand if it's going to do anything, :D. I haven't actually tested it but I like mental misstep in goblins in theory. Protecting vial/lackey from misstep (now unfortunately important), protecting t3 warchief (big one), combos in opener with lackey (a 20% thing), hitting grim lavamancer+dredge discard outlets+dark ritual+lands broken 1 drops+high tide+opposing vial+top (remember cbalance has 8 vials outs now), as well as making the combo matchup doable by virtue of already having 4 relevant md spells...and what is it competing with? chrome mox? warren weirding? lightning bolt? c'mon now...
Edit: Side note...looks like I'll be playing goblins again on the 14th. Still deciding between swords and misstep, but definatley leaning towards missteps if I can get them. I've played goblins 4 times, once with Rb (went 3-4 got blown out by plague twice), Rw (5-2, 5-2, 4-3)...the last one was when vengevival became popular and I basically stopped playing this deck.
[Edit]
If we are playing mental mistep and fetches, might as well add at least one volcanic island to take less damage late game.
Last edited by Guy I Don't Know; 05-08-2011 at 09:00 AM.
This thread clearly is for the traditional build with Aether Vial ([DTB] Vial Goblins 2.0). Let's not derail it by discussing a storm version, I suggest you make a different thread.
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Thats why I didn't post a list or anything.
Imo, Vial goblins now should run Misstep, or should run Chrome Mox. I don't see a list with neither being good in today's metagame...
Edit:
Ok, decided to post my list post misstep:
Mana:
(23)
4: Badlands, Fetch1, Fetch2, Wasteland.
5: Mountain
2: Chrome Mox
Core:
(26)
Other:
(11)
3 Warren Instigator
3 Goblin Chieftain
3 Gempalm Incinerator
2 Stingscourger
SB:
3 Pyroknesis
3 Perish
4 Chalice of the Void
1 Earwig Squad
2 Red Elemental Blast
2 Shattering Spree
- I don't expect Dredge to bee all that popular again, so I don't want to run grave-hate, but you can always do it, by taking out Squad/Spree/ReB.
- CotV+Squad (to remove bouncers)+ReB should be enough to handle Spiral Tide, and are good vs other combos too.
- The MD is already very good vs the new Merfolk builds. I don't even know what to side out to bring Knesis+ReB (suggestions?)
- This list is also solid vs tempo decks, that may be on the rise, and ok against Wx taxes/agroo builds (the more green guys they play, the better).
What do you guys think of this list?
edit 2: Maybe ReB is not very good right now, giving opponents more targets for their Missteps... =/
edit 3: Got it! 2x Magus of the Moon!
OR 2x Scald! That should take care of blue decks!
Last edited by ScatmanX; 05-08-2011 at 07:07 PM.
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I´ve decieded building up Goblins, but before have a question on my list. Could I play Lightning Bolts in a list with Warren Instigator and Chrome Mox, or wouldn`t it work, because of two much non Goblinspells, which weakens ringleader to much? And are 22 Lands with 2 Chrome Mox too much, or right? Here`s the list I`ve thoughted of building up. What do you think of it?
4 Goblin Lackey
4 Goblin Piledriver
4 Goblin Warchief
4 Goblin Ringleader
4 Goblin Matron
2 Siege Gang Commander
2 Warren Instigator
2 Goblin Chieftain
1 Wort, Boggart Auntie
1 Gempalm Incinerator
4 Aether Vial
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Warren Weirding
2 Chrome Mox
4 Badlands
4 Bloodstained Mire
3 Scalding Tarn
4 Wasteland
7 Mountain
I play 24 lands 4 vial and 3 bolt as non goblin spells so 22 lands 2 mox 4 vial 4 bolt is very similar. I think i win more games having bolt then i lose to flipping bolt with ringleader. I am surprised you don't play one stingscourger. I would suggest testing one over the 4th bolt
Hmm ok I`ll stesting a scourger over the 4. Bolt. Btw how much Instigator do you play in your list?
I ask because of I`ve seen lists, which playing 3 - 4 Instigators, but that seems a bit overkill too me.
And what do you guys think, is the Chrome Mox + Instigator plan deffenitly the way to go for the future, or
will traditional lists with ports and Mwm still have their place, maybe depending on the meta?
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...=goblin+stompy
You could just as well add the 4 Mental Misstep instead of adding 3 Blood Moon and 4 Chalice and make it Goblin Stompy. And Chalice of the Void and Vials don't mix either.
Quit playing Legacy but could still play Goblins (Rgw, Rg, Rw, Rb)
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Lol, Goblin Stompy is a joke. If you really think that MM will rain on your parade, just run Food Chain Goblins or another deck.
I gave up the black splash for a while, since my Warren Weirdings did nothing but feeding Tarmogoyfs lately... And went back to the Green splash (Eng. Plague is still being played, god damn it). But I just couldn't give up on my Warren Instigators that easily, so I tried to mix it a little bit.
This is the list I've reached:
Lands [22]
6 Mountain
7 R-Fetches
3 Taiga
4 Wasteland
2 Chrome Mox
Core [26]
...
Others [12]
4 Warren Instigator
3 Goblin Chieftain
3 Lightning Bolt
1 Stingscourger
1 Gempalm Incinerator
Sideboard [15]
4 Chalice of the Void
3 Pyrokinesis
2 Tormod's Crypt
2 Krosan Grip
2 Back to Nature
1 Ravenous Trap
1 Stingscourger
My sideboard is a little messed up. I tried to run 4 Pyrokinesis, but against green fatties, the second stingscourger seems pretty much better. The gravehate is splitted, I like it that way. Leyline of the Void is beautiful, but can't really place in a Green Splash (we can't even pitch it for Chrome Mox with good results) and Pithing Needle on Crypt/Relic is pretty awful against Dredge (which will get pretty popular when people start having a brain that actually thinks).
Singleton Gempalm, as usual. Why?
1) I don't play Mogg War Marshal, it's just there for an emergency fetch.
2) Lightning Bolt does the job better (I use it in the early game [when gempalms can't hit for more then 2], and it's a nice PICKLES SURPRISE lategame finisher).
And I swear I'll punch whoever talks about Lightning Bolt antisynergy with Ringleader, since you guys were trying 4 Mental Missteps along with Daze and other useless crap.
Hmm I really like your list Vandalize, looking straight forward "Instigator aggro", a bit too much for my taste I would go down to 3 Instigators and adding one more removel. Some thoughts on, how the meta could develope: I think that counterbalance will see much more play in the future and Goblins have good matchup against most balance related decks. If counterbalance will be more played combo could going back a bit, annother good development for Gobos. Hope I`m right so Gobos will be still a DTB.
If my conjectures becomming true, what build do you think would be the best. R/B or R/G - Instigator build, or with ports instead? I`m just back to Legacy, so feel free to correct me, if my thoughts on the meta development and the stand of goblins in it, are wrong.
Why do you think counterbalance will see more play? Mental Misstep is not a reason, just fyi.
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+4 Matron
+1 Kiki, Jiki
Matron is one of the best goblins you can play, especially with Instigator.
Connecting with Instigator once means you have a lot of nice lines of play.
You can get Matron, Matron gets Kiki, Jiki, Kiki, Jiki copies Matron, and Matron gets Ringleader.
You can get Matron, Matron Gets Ringleader, Ringleader gets 4 cards
You can get Matron, Get Kiki, Jiki, Kiki, Jiki copies Matron, And Matron gets Warren Weirding to get rid of Emrakul or Progenitus
Kiki, Jiki serves as a Matron OR instigator OR Ringleader each turn.
Matron is under the core 26 cards, as defined in the first post :)
Kiki is Kiki.. some like him, some hate him. He definitly is only really good with other goblins in play.
I think Kik Jiki is a win more card for the most part. If you attack and connect with a instigator and have matron, you can put into play whatever goblin you want (most likely ringleader, siege gang commander). What matchup does kiki jiki improve? Thats my two cents.
I disagree.
I like Kiki-Jiki and I don't feel he's a win more card. Rather in my experience in playing with him, he has helped me win games that I would have lost if I didn't have him.
For example in certain situations, I've been able to abuse his token abilities to put in more piledrivers/Lackeys/Instigators than my opponent could block to get the win. Plus with lightning crafter, he's just a beast.
Sometimes I needed to copy another matron to get just the right goblin, Sometimes I needed another SGC, sometimes I needed my goblins to have another +2/+2 to do just enough damage.
I wouldn't really say he improves key match ups, but rather he can answer certain game situations that other goblins can't.
Also with lightning crafter he's just a beast.
That's all I needed to hear.
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