Blue needs a Nerf

[Bardo]

Yeah, I don't want to sidetrack this thread into what shouldn't be on the Banned List, and only wanted to point how contrary it is to the management of the banned list to ban answer cards like Force and MMS.

[Forbiddian]

There are a lot of good points in this thread regarding the power level of blue. What it really boils down is simply looking at the fundamentals of the game. The four most powerful abilities in Magic are as follows:
- Tutoring
- Fast mana
- Countermagic
- Card draw

Threats and answers don't even make your list of the most powerful abilities (both of which, blue is weak in, btw).

[Hitman82]

Why are ban discussions allowed here at all??? All they ever turn out to be are ignorants ranting and haters flaming. The number of intelligent posts is so negligent I don't get why these threads are allowed to exist. It's not like you have any control over the DCI's decision-making anyway.

[honestabe]

http://www.starcitygames.com/php/new...?Article=21948

Ok, this arguement is over. Everyone stop.

[TossUsToLions]

http://www.starcitygames.com/php/new...?Article=21948

Ok, this arguement is over. Everyone stop.

Hahahahaha. Looks like it took the legacy community a LONG time to adapt to all of the blue decks...

[Admiral_Arzar]

hahahahaha. Looks like it took the legacy community a long time to adapt to all of the blue decks...

Get there zoo!

[ivanpei]

Haha exactly, people adapt. I saw zoo/ affinity As great decks and advocated them in this meta. Looks like it's coming true. Affinity is way too easy to hate since everyone seems to be playing null rods or ancient grudge. Zoo, not so much. Dear blue, eat kitties! Storm coming back now?

Junk also seems like a good choice.

[Sims]

Dan's a local player to here, they had the stream going at the LGS while a legacy tourney was running today. Didn't end up hearing what happened in the quarters, but looks like the folk couldn't stop Zoo. Sucks for Dan, but hell it's still another 5k Top8.

Go go gadget turning creatures sideways.

[Darth Nihilus]

http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...05&event_ID=21


i say ban nactal


maybe ppl should start thinking instead of net decking and than wonder why one color shows up more often. i got called an idiot on cockatrice for thinking that zoo is the right meta deck atm and that zoo beats most controll lists.
i mean cmon zoo was designed to beat control decks, so instead of going nerdrage take 2 seconds and look up lists that beat controll

[Zlatzman]

Hopefully the invitational is more representative than the Legacy Open. The numbers in the open don't really speak for blue not being dominant.

15 of 16 decks in T16 played blue, many of the with blue as the primary colour, source: here


edit, more numers:
Card name // Number i T8 // Number in T16
Force of Will // 32 // 60
Mental Misstep // 27 // 53
Jace, TMS // 12 // 21
Stoneforge Mystic // 8 // 20
Tarmogoyf // 8 // 20
Mishra's Factory // 11 / 15
Manriki-Gusari in sideboards // 2 // 6 (across 5 decks)

[Gheizen64]

http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...05&event_ID=21


i say ban nactal


maybe ppl should start thinking instead of net decking and than wonder why one color shows up more often. i got called an idiot on cockatrice for thinking that zoo is the right meta deck atm and that zoo beats most controll lists.
i mean cmon zoo was designed to beat control decks, so instead of going nerdrage take 2 seconds and look up lists that beat controll

Because Zoo has an history of winning GP and SGC and whatsnot. Please, the level of the discussion here is getting ridicolous. No one said that blue was unwinnable for any other deck, just that it was extremely statistically dominant as a winner of tournaments (see IBA's numbers) and that since WotC did little to nothing in those years to fix this maybe a ban was in order. One invitational going to a non-blue deck hardly shift statistics the other way neither invalidate the point made in this topic, especially when the finalist of the open were both blue decks.

[dahcmai]

The nice thing is Goblins was second.

[Amon Amarth]

The nice thing is Goblins was second.

I was happy to see a Red-centric Finals! I really liked Pat Sullivans Zoo list with Wastes and tons of 1 drops.

[honestabe]

The nice thing is Goblins was second.

Yeah, Goblins with BLUE!!! Blue is obv too good, ban anything with a shade of blue on the art, text, or anywhere else on the card. Even non-blue cards that have been altered to have any drop of blue paint on them need to be banned.

Look, when the best players in the format played a non-blue deck, they won. When good people play, they win, who knew. The thing is, all the good players just play blue, because it gives them the best opportunity to leverage their skill over their opponent.

[=^.^= & <:3 )~]

What's that meme about? So, blue wins tournaments? Whatever... It's like whining that queen is the best figure. Yeah, queen discriminates pawns!

It's all over and over again and again...

Omg! Brainstorm (or Vial, or Lackey, or Enlightened Tutor...) is too powerful, they should ban it!

WotC prints Mental Misstep

Omg! Mental Misstep is too powerful, it counters Brainstorm (or Vial, or Lackey, or Enlightened Tutor...) they should ban it!

:headdesk

[GGoober]

I heard Goblin Lackey and Vial beats blue, I heard Wild Nacatl is a really unfair green card. Format seems good, blue is and always will be good, but doesn't mean it's unstoppable or too good, thread is boring.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

Goblins isn't blue just because you add Mental Misstep. Misstep is a colorless card in function.

So, blue wins tournaments? Whatever... It's like whining that queen is the best figure. Yeah, queen discriminates pawns!

This is an awful argument.

I heard Goblin Lackey and Vial beats blue, I heard Wild Nacatl is a really unfair green card. Format seems good, blue is and always will be good, but doesn't mean it's unstoppable or too good, thread is boring.

Whether it's too good would be determined by numbers. The numbers of the past six months don't seem to help your case much. We'll see how the next several months shape up.

In the meantime, you can just not click on the thread if you don't want to join a serious conversation.

[Koby]

In more positive MM news, GW Maverick has been placed within Top 4 of a 60+ person tournament over the weekend, with only 2 "islands" to cast it. Proceeds to manhandle Ad Nauseum in 2 games.

Linky [mtgthesource.com]

This gives some credence to the idea that non-blue decks can run MM to gain an edge in the metagame.

However, it still lost to Jace + blue cards...

[Mr_Miyagi]

I am one of those people who suffer from insomnia. I just want to say thanks to the threadstarter for this thread. Fell asleep reading somewhere on page 4

[GGoober]

In the meantime, you can just not click on the thread if you don't want to join a serious conversation.

Are you in all seriousness thinking this thread was heading in any serious discussion?

I apologize and politely resign myself from this thread.

Sometimes I wonder if people on the internet can detect a slight hint of sarcasm, like my post on Lackey and Nacatls. I guess not. But I'll not be posting in this thread at all now, given that it's a serious conversation about blue needing a nerf.