[Deck] GW/x Maverick

[Tao]

Thorn of Amethyst Is currently the best Anti-Combo card available for Maverick. I know I said this a few times and always got ignored but still...

[timmycolossus]

Thorn of Amethyst Is currently the best Anti-Combo card available for Maverick. I know I said this a few times and always got ignored but still...

I agree with you Tao you are not being ignored. I just was wondering if sundail was any good? I wanted to test it out against in specific hivemind in place of thorn as much as I like thorn.

[timmycolossus]

Also I have wing shards for the the pro that says no so I do not need angels grace for that.
@Tao: what are your thoughts on mirran crusader against the decks I mention?

[Philipp2293]

Went 5:0 yesterday at my local, playing pretty much Morte's list with some minor changes.

Currently I consider adding a third scryb ranger, as he was the nuts all day yesterday. Back to basics? No care. Also scryb ranger allowed me a few times to shorten my clock by a crucial turn in close races, being able to use knight and attack, to push through exactly lethal. Any thoughts?

Also, I haven't been too impressed with SoFaI lately, I might try either SoFaF or SoLaS.

BTW, what is up what pretty much any Merfolk player that I run into claiming he has a good MU versus us?

[SageShadows]

I play the folk, and while I won my match up versus Maverick last time I played against it, I am in deep fear of seeing a Maverick deck on the opposite side of the table. Just my two cents.

[timmycolossus]

timmycolossus
Hello fellow maverick players I had a couple questions before I embark onto a tournament this week. My SB looks like this:

SB 15
2x krosan grip
2x wing shards
2x choke
2x Enlightened tutor
1x gaddock
1x Ethersworn
1x null rod
1x thorn of amethyst
1x EE
1x tormod’s crypt
1x bojuka bog

My deck itself will change depending on the answers I get to my question.
Meta:Majority: NO RUG Zoo merfolk stoneblade U/W bant aggro. very little: storm hivemind and reanimator and dredge

I do not run mental misstep right now.



Also How many teeg should we be running in md and sb combined (i run one main and one side now) if we expect a lot of rug and stoneblade?

Also I like mirran crusader and has been proven to be good in my meta.

What are the upsides and downsides to him other than being burned out easily and if I have if md do I keep him in against zoo?

Lastly what are the best tools against any jace deck?

[timmycolossus]

SOFI has not been doing it for me I agree with fatal SOLS is a nice sword to use.

[Koby]

Lastly what are the best tools against any jace deck?

I can't claim that I have the best tools against Jace decks, but Pithing Needle and Phyrexian Revoker both do a good job putting the daggers on Jace himself. Oblivion Ring is also a good versatile tool, but might be too slow. It does however fall outside the 1 and 2 mana range that the Jace decks typically have control over.

[CorpT]

I can't claim that I have the best tools against Jace decks, but Pithing Needle and Phyrexian Revoker both do a good job putting the daggers on Jace himself. Oblivion Ring is also a good versatile tool, but might be too slow. It does however fall outside the 1 and 2 mana range that the Jace decks typically have control over.

SoBaM is the best answer to Jace that I've seen. I can't imagine anyone using SoLaS though. I'm not sure what White or Black you need to protect against and the other bonuses are pretty weak.

[RogueMTG]

SoBaM is the best answer to Jace that I've seen. I can't imagine anyone using SoLaS though. I'm not sure what White or Black you need to protect against and the other bonuses are pretty weak.

It's decent in attrition matchups.

Protects your guy from a topdecked StP/Path/Dismember/Smother/Go for the Throat/etc. Lets you recur guys every turn, presenting a kind of inevitability that's hard to stop.

[myselves]

timmycolossus
Also How many teeg should we be running in md and sb combined (i run one main and one side now) if we expect a lot of rug and stoneblade?

Against RUG-Order: I would suggest 1 or 2, since he only stops NO and probably Submerge in this MU. And I don't see Teeg to be that useful against Stoneblade, is there anything than Jace, TMS that you are afraid of?

Also I like mirran crusader and has been proven to be good in my meta.
What are the upsides and downsides to him other than being burned out easily and if I have if md do I keep him in against zoo?

Considering your Meta.
Pro:
- he's nice against Stoneblade (blocking Batterskull due his own Prot:b)
- can shine vs. Bant with Prot:g, can also be useful when you have to race Progenitus
- additional Threat vs. Bant, RUG and in some cases against Zoo
- beast with exalted triggers

Con:
- double strike in combination with an Equipment will never work if your opponent thinks about and always chumps with small creatures. This s also getting worse by the exalted triggers.
- pretty useless against Merfolk or Goblins, unless you run SoFaI
- sometimes it can be dangerous to get WW to early (in your Meta this shouldn't be a problem)

Considering your Sideboard I would only bring in 1-2 E. Tutor, 1 EE and the Bojuka Bog against Zoo. If you have three worse cards than Crusader in your first 60 he stays in, if not... ;)

Lastly what are the best tools against any jace deck?

What Jace.dec?
If you mean Bugstill/Deadstill: Peedle on Deed (they have often no way to get rid of it than Deed) so that there are only 4-5 Removal+Jace left to deal with your resolved threats.

[myselves]

edit: sorry for double-posting, my bad

[Fatal]

Vs Stone Blade Teeg stops:

-WoG, Submerge - his SB plan
-hardcasting Batterskull - you have 4 StP on his 4 Mystics
-Jaces

His last hope are Cliques - Scryb Ranger is best answer for that.

I thing this is enough to put him.

Also great combine vs Stone Blade is Scryb Ranger with SoLS - it's unkillable without any WoG / Repeal on SoLS.

Vs all Jaces I found that the best thing is flashed creatures with flying.

Needle/O-Ring/Revoker aren't so great due to many ways how opponent can just destroy/counter it. All bant lists running Jaces have pridemages, Jacestill have Deeds, Stoneblade has Repeals - better kill not to turn off for a while. Note that Needle can be also missteped.

@CopT SoLS in such, a heavy creature deck (24-25 creatures in deck depends on list) is not just a draw engine. It brings protection which was mention before, but also is a constant draw engine, you just pick up all what most was countered - and first you pick best creature which you have in gy not the random card.

Also Prot from B blocks batterskull very well, additional thing - life gainning can be game saver vs races with progenitus - unblockable by progenitus so you can attack without block, and gaining life enough to take 2 punch from hydra - which batterskull can't - I won enough games vs S&T-> Progenitus showing SFM and finding SoLS to race.

Last good thing - prot W are also nice vs mirror blocking big KotRs, and being unblockable is nice.

Against Deedstill I used LD plan with Loam and Choke, they run so many nonbasics..

[timmycolossus]

Hey guys thank you so much for your help. As a result of what you guys said I will be running 2 scryb ranger. I wanted a creature pro jace clique merfolk repeal and submerge. I think this creature is perfect in the meta. Also to complete the flyers I will be running 2 aven. I know it should be 3 but I feel more comfortable running 2. I am keeping teeg 1 main and 1 sb. I am running 2 mirran. I wanted a creature that was pro KOTR gofy natcl and batterskull and progenitus. I think he fits that description well. If I run into merfork gobos I will sub him for wing shards. I am not afraid of jace. I just would hate to lose to him. The other thing about jace is he is run in a lot of decks and I want to make sure I have the best tools to deal with him. I upped my sfm to 4 because she has lets me draw a equip when she resolves. I have incorporated mental misstep into my deck while cutting mother of runes. Best decision in the deck. I was thinking before mother of runes with scyrb ranger was awesome but most of the time I wished it was misstep and never got that combination on the field. Last thing this is weir but i am running 4 equipments sols, sofi, jitte, and batterskull. I wanted them all and they are awesome. The only deck other than storm i lose to a lot pre board is dredge (manaless version). Thank you all so much for your help and hopefully after a month of working away at this deck I will do well.

(Yes chameleon colossus is my favorite creature)

[Fatal]

To win vs Dredge G1 just put Scavenging Ooze MD under zenith its autowin vs that slow version of dredge. It's also useful vs Team America, and all KotRs/Goyfs and Loam decks.

[Esper3k]

Has anyone else had problems with the Zoo matchup? I really like this deck, but having two tough matchups (combo, Zoo) seems really rough.

[Koby]

Against the Zoo matchup, Goyf is better suited. Kitchen Finks is a nice addition as well, in providing a large enough power to kill Nacatls and buffing your life total slightly. Extra spot removal (PtE) also helps. Try out Wing Shards and see if that improves some of your Zoo matchups.

[timmycolossus]

To win vs Dredge G1 just put Scavenging Ooze MD under zenith its autowin vs that slow version of dredge. It's also useful vs Team America, and all KotRs/Goyfs and Loam decks.

I agree but the manaless version that topped at starcity is the one that is giving me trouble preboard. I maindeck ooze and he has been useful in that match up but they have so many dredgers and so many guys that be used for dread return. I guess dread return is not the problem the combination of bloodghast ichorid and nether shadow can be a little tough. Post board this match does not seem to be a problem.
In regards to small zoo wing shards and one EE pretty effective. I do not know or have a lot of testing against big zoo. Tarmogoyf and terravore are also pretty effective here.

[Tao]

In theory the Zoo matchup is good. 4 Mother of Runes, 4 Stoneforges, 4 Knight of the Reliquary, 4 GSZ, 4 Swords, 1 Tarmogoyf plus 3-4 Path to Exiles in the Sideboard we are even slightly ahead I would say, despite Lavamancer being a pain in our butt. Our Mana Base is better, our Reliquaries are better and we have Stoneforges and Mother of Runes to compensate.

But the more Gaddocks, Mindcensors and Scryb Rangers pop up in main decks the worse the matchup gets.

[TossUsToLions]

Dueling Grounds helps against Zoo. We can handle them swinging with one 3/3, but trying to deal with 4 3/3's is tough. Like Tao said, the matchup is kinda rough G1, depending on how many dead cards you have against them. But after siding out those dead cards for Dueling Grounds, more removal, etc., the matchup swings more in out favor. Try and make them use their Paths on your important utility creatures, then stick a Knight or Terravore. Siding in extra removal, like was previously stated by Tao, is also good here.

The more I play the deck, the more I feel like I need Maze of Ith. There have been a countless number of games where I wish that I had it to search for it. Any others feel this same way?

I've also been testing Elspeth a lot, and it has been amazing. But then I went back to Sylvan Library and I feel like I win every game that I get it out. I like the 2cmc of Library as it curves out the deck nicer than the awkward 2WW casting cost of Elspeth. Is anyone running 1-2 Elsepth along with 2 Libraries, or does that dilute the deck too much and leave us with not enough creatures? It could lead to some awkward starting hands with no business, and I like making the deck as consistent as I can.