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    Help with Vintage Sideboarding

    So I guess new users can't even post on TMD and I have a proxy Vintage event coming up and I need advice on sideboarding for Cat MUD since I pretty much never play Vintage...

    I'm playing a list very close to an established list because I'm not extremely familiar with the format and MUD seems like the most straight forward deck. This is my list


    // Deck file for Magic Workstation (http://www.magicworkstation.com)

    // Lands
    4 [TE] Ancient Tomb
    2 [EX] City of Traitors
    4 [TE] Wasteland
    1 [4E] Strip Mine
    1 [US] Tolarian Academy
    2 [4E] Mishra's Factory
    4 [AQ] Mishra's Workshop

    // Creatures
    4 [WWK] Lodestone Golem
    4 [NPH] Slash Panther
    3 [NPH] Phyrexian Metamorph
    4 [MBS] Phyrexian Revoker

    // Spells
    1 [B] Black Lotus
    4 [EX] Sphere of Resistance
    4 [MR] Chalice of the Void
    4 [NE] Tangle Wire
    1 [B] Mox Ruby
    1 [A] Mox Emerald
    1 [U] Mox Jet
    1 [U] Mox Pearl
    3 [LRW] Thorn of Amethyst
    1 [B] Mox Sapphire
    1 [R] Sol Ring
    3 [WL] Null Rod
    1 [DS] Trinisphere
    1 [BIN] Mana Crypt

    // Sideboard
    SB: 3 [AN] City in a Bottle
    SB: 4 [CH] Tormod's Crypt
    SB: 2 [DK] Maze of Ith
    SB: 3 [SOM] Precursor Golem
    SB: 3 [FD] Crucible of Worlds


    I need help on sideboarding, here's what I'm thinking so far... As I said I'm far from a seasoned Vintage player so let me first explain my sideboard choices and you can debate whether or not they are correct.

    City in a Bottle- Dredge hate. Blows up their Bazaars and prevents them from playing another Bazaar from hand, potential blowouts on the play if they banked on a Bazaar reliant hand. I expect Dredge to be the #1 most played deck at this event.

    Tormod's Crypt over Relic - Yes Relic draws a card and that's cool, but I want to be able to drop Chalice @ 1 vs. Dredge since that Negates all of their perm removal except for Ancient Grudge as I expect most lists to be very close to the Gencon list and I expect to see a lot of them. Also having Crypt over Relic makes it much easier to drop City in a Bottle and Crypt turn one as opposed to having to choose relic or City or playing Relic with no Mox and having to wait to blow it if they have the nuts.

    Maze of Ith - In my mind it's a nice hate card to Predator and Blightstone and seems passable in the mirror if they play the Steel Hellkite version which is a potential blowout. Could be garbage but the work it could put in on Predator alone makes me want it in my side.

    Precursor Golem - Makes sense vs. mirror and fishy decks, wish I had room for another but can't bring myself to cut anything at this point.

    Crucible of Worlds - Feel like I need this for the mirror, because if they run them and I don't I might be in bad shape.

    Now matchups.

    Fish - +2 Maze + 3 Golem, -2 Thorn, -3 Null Rod

    Dredge- -3 Sphere, -3 Null Rod, -4 Tangle Wire, +4 Crypt, +3 Bottle, +3 Golem

    Bob Gush- ???

    Oath- ???

    Combo- depends on combo

    What other matchups should I be concerned with? Am I doing it wrong in the sideboard? Suggestions on SBing? Any help would be appreciated.
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    Re: Help with Vintage Sideboarding

    I don't play many workshops myself (prefer the drains), but I have seen Shop decks doing well with Jester's Caps in the board. It yanks compact win conditions like Time Vault, Blightsteel, Jace, and Tendrils.

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    Re: Help with Vintage Sideboarding

    Due to my lack of knowledge of the format, I don't know if it is an established piece of hate against Dredge or you thought about it on yourself, but City in a Bottle seems the most beautiful tech ever seen. Props.

    Don't forget Razormane Masticore, your most useful weapon against fish / Noble Fish / Bob / Slash Panter mirror etc. I have always disliked Precursor due to its fragility.
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    Re: Help with Vintage Sideboarding

    Ever since Gencon you will see Vault/Jace/Bob/Gush in every top 8. Needle is great against the first two even with your spheres out. REB/Bolt are also useful for Trygon Predator, but kind of the suck depending on your prison pieces.

    If you can find out anything about the metagame, Dismember, Surgical Extraction, and Ghost Quarter can all be viable too.
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    Re: Help with Vintage Sideboarding

    Pithing Needle is more versatile than City in a bottle. City in a bottle is better if they have removal for it and Needle costs one less. I would use Needles personally.

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    Re: Help with Vintage Sideboarding

    Keep City in a Bottle, punishing people for playing Arabian Nights City of Brass over JSS Foil ones is always fun (JSS has flavour text from The Arabian Nights, making it the best possible City of Brass).
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    Re: Help with Vintage Sideboarding

    City in a bottle is crap; use pithing needles and relic of progenitus instead.

    Also, you have so many creatures, that you're probably better off going 4 Thorn, 3 Sphere
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    Re: Help with Vintage Sideboarding

    That list is not good. Slash Panther does not affect your opponent in any way other than living the dream of possibly killing a Jace. You'd be much better off playing other cards that actually do something, like another Null Rod, Thorn, and Duplicants.

    On the sideboard, Maze of Ith is junk. Just play more Duplicants in the sideboard for the mirror, to answer Blightsteel, to answer Trygon, and to answer Oath. For the Workshop mirror Crucible is kind of weak, but is acceptable I guess (I wouldn't run them, because I'd just play more creatures). For the Dredge matchup you're better off playing something like Relic of Progenitus + Leyline of the Void. Tabernacle is also decent against Dredge, and decent against any Fish deck.
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    Re: Help with Vintage Sideboarding

    Follow up report...

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