DCI Rating System change- Planeswalker Points

[Mark Sun]

Not sure what to think. I'm just not a fan of the system rewarding for wins but not punishing for losses -- you learn more from your mishaps than anything else, honestly.

[Julian23]

@Morbid: I agree with what you said but even more I dislike systems that encourage not playing events.

[clavio]

This totally worked. I had zero plans on going to GP Montreal but now it might happen because I could earn a shitton of these points which could help me get byes in the next season. Wp wizards....

[Admiral_Arzar]

This would encourage me to play Belcher in legacy events. No dis-incentive for losses!

LOL. Now that you put it that way, it might be time for some burping.

[Julian23]

This totally worked. I had zero plans on going to GP Montreal but now it might happen because I could earn a shitton of these points which could help me get byes in the next season. Wp wizards....

Yeah, I now also actually consider attending nearby GPs unless the format is a total mess.

[crovakiet]

Time to build a janky standard deck and show up at PTQs!!

Edit: Logged in and it seems pretty heavily skewed towards FNM. Recently got 11 points for going 3-0-1 at a 13-person Legacy event, vs. 33 points for 3-2-0 at a 25-person FNM. I get that the Legacy event was smaller, but those points were way more challenging to come by.

Overall though, I kinda like the change. I know some people hate the gamification of everything, but I think you can easily ignore that whole aspect if you really want to. Mostly, I just like fact that it removes the incentive to drop/draw if you're like me and just enjoy playing the game, win or lose.

I dislike and like the change(s)...I dislike the fact that I got 39 points for 1st place at an FNM whereas I received far less points for a Legacy event in which the environment was a lot tougher. I do like that I don't have to worry about my rating and just play for the sake of playing without having to worry that I am only gaining 1-2 points per win while at the same time having a chance to lose 11+...especially if I was playing a jank deck vs. some random dude that I have no clue what their rating is at...

[Tacosnape]

This is all a money scheme. Wizards is bullshit.

Whatever. I'll screen cap my fucking amazing ELO-style ratings, frame them on my wall, and remember when being good at something mattered more than spending copious amounts of money on their bullshit products.

Shame. One really good run in Atlanta this weekend would've been all I needed to hit #1 for just one day.

EDIT: Also, all other personal grudges aside, what the hell is with the insane FNM multiplier? I like to drink, play commander, and do things involving some nonzero number of beautiful women on Fridays, and get my rating points other times. I don't like being punished for this.

[Koby]

Apparently Legacy is "Casual" tournament structure, but FNM is "serious business".

[Julian23]

edit: nevermind, I was wrong.

[clavio]

You should note that FNM Rating points aren't worth anything. Scoring 8 Competitive Total Points in a Legacy event is inifinitely more important than 38 FNM Total points.

Are you sure? The way I interpreted it was that while FNM points are separate from your competitive points, the points you earn from FNM still dump into your competitive total.

Competitive Events

In competitive events (all events that are not casual), the number of Planeswalker Points you earn depends on the number of people in the event, your match record, and type of event (FNM, Pro Tour Qualifier, World Championship, etc).

[dschalter]

You should note that FNM Rating points aren't worth anything. Scoring 8 Competitive Total Points in a Legacy event is inifinitely more important than 38 FNM Total points.

This is incorrect. FNM points are competitive points.

[cdr]

Yeah, there are multiple references to FNM counting for Competitive.

[Julian23]

In competitive events (all events that are not casual), the number of Planeswalker Points you earn depends on the number of people in the event, your match record, and type of event (FNM, Pro Tour Qualifier, World Championship, etc).

Points from competitive events count toward your Lifetime total and toward your Competitive total for the current Competitive Season. Depending on the type of event, points from competitive events may also count toward your Friday Night Magic total or your Professional total.

Source

You're right, I was confused by the co-existance of both a Competitive Total AND a FNM Total. To be fair, that's kind of bullshit. Why is playing in an easy FNM three times worth more than a Legacy event?!

[cdr]

Because Wizards wants people to play FNM. There are numerous dials WotC can turn in this system to direct player behavior.

[Julian23]

So this means, that if I want to maintain my current rating byes, I will very likely need to start playing in FNMs again. Actually to be rather playing FNMs instead of local Legacy tournaments? I like that the new system encourages people to play more Magic but that emphasis on FNMs makes me:

a sad panda (-_-)


/edit: There's also the problem with RELs. FNMs have always been rather casual events, where people usually allow take-backs and mainly try to enjoy their time. Now they award the same amount of Competitive Points as Grand Prix Trials, which are usually hard-fought events with REL Competitive (at least where I live). This might cause problems. I don't wanna be super strict about rules at my local FNM...but now those events actually matter. When I didn't play in them before, now I will play them with very competitive spirit, trying to squeeze out every advantage I can get from my opponent's missplays. This doesn't feel right.

[Leftconsin]

I'm not exactly thrilled about getting hosed for playing Legacy instead of Standard.

[Qax]

Doing FNM:s to get byes for legacy GP:s. Really?

[Koby]

Doing FNM:s to get byes for legacy GP:s. Really?

You would need to play larger FNM events, and play them frequently in order to reach the point where you qualify for byes.

The way the system is setup, it's going to be difficult to "climb the ladder" to reach that point unless you're already there.

PTQs are still a better bang for your buck. The PTQs on my rating show 100 points gains, the last Legacy tournament I went to gained me 20. :\

[Julian23]

From Zvi's Twitter:

I got about 550 for winning PT: Tokyo and 120 for getting Top 8 in a PTQ. A few tweaks, anyone?

Sum's it up quite nicely....


From PVDR:

In a certain time period, my results were a GP 1st, a GP t4, a GP t16 and a PT t64. For that time period, I was 53rd on the planeswalker points - competitive list. 1400 points behind the leader, Alex Bertoncini, who did not even play in the PT. I don't like this system :(

[Guy I Don't Know]

Cool idea but some criticism. How can I say I am a level 37 sorcerer without laughing? I literally cannot bring this up to anyone who hasn't played magic again... Also the multipliers seem really random and should be tweaked. Going 3-1 5 times at a FNM should not equal a PTQ 2nd place....