If you allow the board to be clogged up by numerous hatebears, you probably deserve to lose.
Echoing Truth doesn't beat both Teeg and Cannonist.
Echoing Truth is used to bounce Chrome Moxen for additional storm count and showboating.
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Little OT: How will the rumored banning of Brainstorm affect the deck and other combo decks as well?
Please keep the Brainstorm virus away from this thread. This thread has done fine without the stupidity of those discussions.
If you'd like to discuss that. There's about seven threads in the Format & Article Discussion.
Why is it stupid? BS is such an integral part of the deck?! And u said it, there are about 7 threads about it but none of the threads had the subject: "Banning of Brainstorm and Its Impact to Combo," so why not discuss it. I did say that my post was a little OT.
Jeez Son
It's stupid because:
1. everyone going along with this "this ban everything that moves" with no good reason mentality is the reason things get attention which is the reason thing get banned.
2. BS isn't banned so unless you want to start discussing a whole series of what-if....got banned/unbanned senarios there is no reason on earth why you should start discussing that one.
NO. No no no no no. We are not doing this!
Lost three matches yesterday that I would have won with 1 Past in Flames in the sideboard. Completely sold on that card now.
Also, Silent Departure would've made me 3-0 against Reanimator.
I've read the complete article, which is fun to read btw. There is a passage in there which I don't comprehend. In round 6, game 2 you say "I end step Brainstorm because of the Pyroblast in my hand." Why would you that? Why does the Pyroblast trigger this way of play?
He needs the extra mana to play pyroblast on his own turn and he doesn't want to gamble passing his next turn via hitting the right manasource on the 3rd and 4th cards. It is sometimes right to EoT brainstorm despite the fact that you don't get full value out of it. Furthermore, Bryant has been playing this deck for years so he's a master at it so he generally knows the optimal play in a given situation.
Until I read the words Legacy - brainstorm is banned I refuse to think of a brainstormless storm list whether it be TNT, TES, ANT, DDFT, or what have you.
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I used this deck last scrubland legacy tournament here. Most of my first drawn seven cards were very promising like i only needed on card to go off. But unfortunately the deck did not gave me the card/s i like to have. Thus ending my day with a 1-2-1 winning only against dredge draw with gw mavs, lossing to tes and uw cbtop control.
Will use the deck again next week if my schedule permits me to play.
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Played TES for the first time in awhile at a local. I lost round one then won out to win the event.
I have to give Liam Kane some credit for Silent Departure. It single handedly won me my round four against Reanimator, I'm a believer. I'm now playing it over Deathmark.
Silent departure is a huge add in tes sb atm.
To Ban brainstorm it would be a shame imho. Though the deck can survive without it.
One of the advantages playing Tes has, is the fact that you don't have to mulligan most of hands being still a combo. It's very very solid.
Did someone playtest Stifle in sideboard? It's great against wasteland(not the "big deal", but helps), sometimes timewalks, and changes flusterstorm text to daze's.
Sounds strictly worse than anything slots it would replace.
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Stifle changes flusterstorm to spell pierce because stifle costs U and then you have to pay for the one flusterstorm. Seems to be just awful; I'd rather flusterstorm their flusterstorm or something. And as for the wasteland 'problem', just play around wasteland. Hold lands in the grip. Play chrome mox aggressively. Petal can also help out a little. Wasteland is rarely a problem if you pilot this deck optimally although piloting this deck optimally takes thousands and thousands of test games.
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Played some test games against RUG.
The games made me feel like I was 10 and playing with a Krosan Cloudscraper-Leviathan-Draco 5C beatdown deck with all basics that I was sacrificing to Squandered Resources every other turn.
I won 1 game off a Dazed chant that I was able to pay with rit and lucky diminishing returns with 0 floating to exactly tendrils on 10 (and that's why Dim Ret will never come out of the SB for me). Chrome Mox gets Temporal Springed... do you know how embarrassing that is?
The question is, is there an appropriate response? Xantid Swarm (like the MM problem)? Extra Silence or Chant in the SB? Switch to RUG?
It ruins The Rock, has more counters AND removal than Merfolk (besides being faster), has 13 post-SB counters plus 4 stifles for Combo.
Play for Empty the Warrens. They have real issues beating that card. Also, how is Mox ever getting Springed? What are you casting the turn before that you need Mox mana for?
I've also played with/against that deck. Switch and play it if you want, but the deck is miserable. Your entire plan is set up a mise them out scenario before they land any real threat, at which point you almost immediately lose.
Maybe I'm just spouting a bit since this is my first real testing against it. I haven't tested RUG against most things, just the decks that my friends and I play (TES, Folk, and Rock), so I don't even know if I would like to play it.
Ari - Yes, Mox gets springed should never happen, but I was literally locked out due to Loam Waste lock and he had an Aberration, just to get the second mana I dropped a Mox since I had two brainstorms and a ponder. I pondered and he springed my mox since I held a land back... sad.
In the one game that I won, I had an option to get Warrens earlier for 10 goblins, but had no protection, so I held back against his 5 card hand.
Ultimately, I think it's just bounds easier for RUG to yawn and say, "Tax-counter everything and hope you don't get there while I beat your face. I plan on doing this every game, so deal with it or scoop," than it is to get comfortable enough playing TES to ignore it. It feels kinda like Belcher, "Do you have the force? No? GG." It just takes like 6 more turns.
I think you just need to playtest more. I dont find the match-up that difficult, I've been rolling everything I've played against recently thanks to Orim's Chant.
You really just need more practice.
Bryant, nice finish in the NELCQ.
I ended up in second, expect a report for my article this week.
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Last edited by Bryant Cook; 12-05-2011 at 03:09 PM.
What's funny is Adam N., who placed first at the NELC, is notorious for playing ANT in the local NYC area. Too bad he didn't have the guts to play storm and succame to playing Tempo RUG. Congrats on placing second Bryant, I was rooting all the way.
Also in my play testing for TES I have found that PiF is such a powerful engine. What do you think of Liam's ANT/PiF deck? http://www.thecouncil.es/tcdecks/dec...1&iddeck=51410
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