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[thecrav]

I don't suppose someone more knowledgeable could come in and answer this?

I'm interested to know as well - preferably with sources cited :D

[socialite]

I've heard the exact opposite. That the test prints were never supposed to be in circulation, and those that are in circulation were stolen by someone, either an employee of Wizards or an employee of whatever company ran the presses for the test prints.

I don't suppose someone more knowledgeable could come in and answer this?

I believe they were probably thrown out and probably taken by an employee. I guess trash is stolen property but at that point it's looking to be disposed, so is it really stealing? I was comparing it to the Slivers because iirc those were actually intended to be released and stolen or printed without permission.

[Occam]

@Occam: That vintage deck is sick as hell. How did your friend come across the foil City of Traitors? I don't even want to think of how much they cost.

I know where he got them from. They're legit, and I have to leave it at that. I have a number of CoTs and SotFs too (coincidentally, I own his CoT designs as well), and those were obtained legitimately too.

Test prints aren't obtained through dumpster diving. Cards like the double backed mana flare I posted above, yeah, that's essentially stuff that was meant to be disposed of. Stuff like the CoTs and the later test prints were given out legitimately to employees and made their way out from there. Stuff like the textless saga stuff was in product. Some is illegitimately leaked out, obviously, but that's occured only for the earlier test prints up to Destiny and a bit of Judgment. You're thinking of summer when you speak of dumpster diving. Stolen stuff like the Slivers are a markedly different case whereby the only way they could have make it into the public is by theft. The rest of the stuff has typically made it out the same way Garfield celebration cards have made it into the possession of collectors like me -- through purchases from people who were originally given them. Legitimately.

The CoTs are 100% legal for play, as are textless Karns.

[jamesh]

The CoTs are 100% legal for play, as are textless Karns.

Does textless Karn have a name? - I thought it was completely without text.

[xfxf]

Just some new stuff I got today
2 dark print natural order
1 jap foil Multani maro sorcerer

Are dark print cards worth anything except their normal values? I have a dark print Tolarian Academy and I just think it looks ugly :)

[thefringthing]

The CoTs are 100% legal for play, as are textless Karns.

This sort of thing is always up to the head judge of a given tournament, so "100%" is a little misleading.

[snappingbowls | ಠ_ಠ]

Does textless Karn have a name? - I thought it was completely without text.

Yeah, everyone calls it Karn. Or Karn, Silver Golem.

So... that's it's name.

[sdematt]

It doesn't have any text, just like the Bolt iirc.

-Matt

[balthor]

Are dark print cards worth anything except their normal values? I have a dark print Tolarian Academy and I just think it looks ugly :)

No I dont think so......Its just the ink at the time of the print run

[sdematt]

My Christmas present to myself came today: it was a Beta Savannah! Hooray!

-Matt

[Tha Gunslinga]

The silver-bordered foil test prints are not tournament-legal due to their borders, but the BB ones are. The foil test prints that I once owned were given out to playtesters to test a new foiling process to see how it wore. They played them unsleeved and the edges wore down a bit but the fronts stayed nice and shiny.

[jamesh]

Yeah, everyone calls it Karn. Or Karn, Silver Golem.

So... that's it's name.

i mean written on the card itself - at the top
cards have to have names otherwise they're aren't legal

[John Cox]

Some info on test prints here
http://www.magiclibrarities.net/719-...rds-index.html
and here are pics

karns + others
http://www.magiclibrarities.net/719-...rds-other.html

cities
http://www.magiclibrarities.net/718-...k--border.html

karns don't have names.

[The Pharmacist]

Some info on test prints here
http://www.magiclibrarities.net/719-...rds-index.html
and here are pics

karns + others
http://www.magiclibrarities.net/719-...rds-other.html

cities
http://www.magiclibrarities.net/718-...k--border.html

karns don't have names.

There's some cool stuff in there. Thanks for posting!

[jamesh]

Some info on test prints here
http://www.magiclibrarities.net/719-...rds-index.html
and here are pics

karns + others
http://www.magiclibrarities.net/719-...rds-other.html

cities
http://www.magiclibrarities.net/718-...k--border.html

karns don't have names.

yeah, i was pretty sure no name
no name = no game

[Octopusman]

Some info on test prints here
http://www.magiclibrarities.net/719-...rds-index.html
and here are pics

karns + others
http://www.magiclibrarities.net/719-...rds-other.html

cities
http://www.magiclibrarities.net/718-...k--border.html

karns don't have names.

The "Island" Dark Ritual is... whoah!

[sdematt]

The Island ritual is one of the Holy Grails in that list, for sure. Afaik, even a few people on here haven't even seen one, and I'm pretty sure the only picture of one is THAT particular one.

Occam, do you even have one of the Ritual/Islands?

-Matt

[MoxMonkey]

My foil loot for the day (I paid less than stickers say):

[dahcmai]

Nice, Guilded Lotus and Pattern are tricky to pick up without paying a ton as a foil.

[Tha Gunslinga]

yeah, i was pretty sure no name
no name = no game

Shrug, I can't imagine it would be that serious an issue considering the pic is there. I mean, I can't read the names on non-English cards that my opponents play, but they're still legal. It really depends on your judge and your opponents. I have never had issues in Vintage, and I've played some pretty crazy stuff. EDH, though, I play stuff in there that's not fair at all. I play split cards in EDH that don't exist.