[Deck] Elves Combo

[Infinitium]

Ghoultree 7G
Creature - Zombie Treefolk

~ costs {1} less to cast for each creature card in your graveyard.

10/10

Worth keeping in mind for anyone still rocking Living Wish for those drawn out affairs involving sweepers and recurring removal. 1GG for a 10/10 in the lategame could be worth the spot.

[lord182]

Indeed?? What is your experience on her? I considered a bit slow :/

You play with 4 Elvish Archdruid and considered Priest of Titania a bit slow? I like her more than archdruid because she can be search with GSZ on turn 2 (i don't have the cradles yet). Don't play the second Emrakul instead play Fierce Empath. If you have the cradles play with the Fauna/Vengivine plan and add 1 Crop Rotation, can seems a bit slow but is more consistent.

[peteypablo]

The sideboard is still experimental, but it hits everything that really gives me trouble. One problem is that my list is extremely weak against surgical extraction and extirpate.

I really like the deck, but why not run Coffin Purge in the board instead of Purify the Grave? Clears up the Savannah spot.

[Koby]

It's starting to look as though the metagame is becoming favorable to Elves. What have been people's experiences with the NO/Pro SB plan vs Vengevine? Both get hit pretty hard by Grafdigger's Cage. What alternatives are there to both that don't get hit? Do we even care about the Cage?

[Hencules]

Hi there!

Been a long time since i've been playing elves (3+ years), and i'm trying to get into it again. The main concensus here seems to be that elves should focus mainly on combo, with some sort of aggro sub-plan. I would like to try that the other way around, due to personal preferences. So, i'd like an aggro main plain, with the possible "oops-i-win-button" in Natural Order.

How feasible would a deck such as that be? Browsing the last 10+ pages of this thread, i see very little love for NO. I know i should playtest a lot before posting such questions here, but the amount of possibilities seem vast!

So I wondered which cards are worth playing, and which aren't. GSZ, NO, archdruid, imperious perfect etc are good cards. But in the aggro style birchlore rangers and heritage druid seem weak.

Ideas?

[Koby]

You may want to checkout this thread instead: Elven Advantage.

That list focuses on the aggro element and skips out on Heritage Druid and Birchlore Rangers.

Elves Combo focuses on the mana engine of Heritage Druid with Nettle Sentinel.

[resum]

It's starting to look as though the metagame is becoming favorable to Elves. What have been people's experiences with the NO/Pro SB plan vs Vengevine? Both get hit pretty hard by Grafdigger's Cage. What alternatives are there to both that don't get hit? Do we even care about the Cage?

I used to play with the BA/VV board and I liked it a lot. I found myself siding in at least the VVs in all interactive MUs. Because of this, I moved them into the maindeck with a list a lot like oliver's (I would play intuitivine if I had intuitions), as the only times when VV is bad are against the combo decks that are faster than you (storm, dredge, reanimator) and when they get a multiple tarmogoyf draw, but if you have some disruption (ooze, cabal therapy), you can slow the combo decks down enough to be faster than them.

The NO/prog plan I haven't actually played with, but it just feels worse than some kind of VV plan, and should be ran mostly as a backup to VVs if you know they're going to bring in GY hate, of if they're like zoo or maverick with a ton of removal and access to lots of goyf/kotrs.

Graffdigger's cages sounds super annoying, but not too big of a problem. We are a GSZ based deck, but we should be able to either remove it with claim/grip/shaman or just glimpse them out if you rin some sorta instawin in side or main (I have an emrakul in the side for the combo MUs).

[Rabrab]

When you afraid of Grafdigger's Cage you should run more Summoner's Pact to search Viridian Shaman;)

[blind]

I have win two Daily with my deck list, very good with your metagame :

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital.../tourn/3283977

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital.../tourn/3314197

[joemauer]

@blind: I have several questions for you.

First I just want to say I have been testing your decklist and think it is very solid, the maindeck that is.

I know you have answered this, but is dismember really that good? I see it saving the day against Lavamancer but that's against burn type decks and we don't want to lower our own life?

Also, is NO/prog package that good? As Ruckus pointed out earlier it seems win more.

What is your answer to control decks with snapcasters? How do you beat those decks when they side in wraths and have 8-12 plow effects?

Finally, do you feel you have enough graveyard hate in your SB?

Sorry if these questions are too noobish, I don't play elves too much.

[blind]

I know you have answered this, but is dismember really that good? I see it saving the day against Lavamancer but that's against burn type decks and we don't want to lower our own life?

Most defintely ! You should never siding in dismember against burn where life points DO matter. I have already explained why the card is strong. It offers a solution to : creature + equipment that is often the only game plan for many decks to beat us.
It also deals with many problematic creatures.

Also, is NO/prog package that good? What is your answer to control decks with snapcasters? How do you beat those decks when they side in wraths and have 8-12 plow effects?

YES ! Progenitus offers many obvious win against many decks. Against decks full of snapcaster with 7 swords to plowshares effect post board, the Vengevine plan does suck. You can also get "surgicaled" and in order to kill, 1/1 are kind of useless in these MU (Batterskull). In a single sentence, Progenitus is a second kill really strong that punish any opponent without wrath effect. Strangely, NO + Pro is a strong plan against deck that enter wrath. Indeed, where the plan to go glimpse, you got to over extend and get elves on the board to have a chance to combo off, so we do got to expose ourselves to wrath (please keep in mind I am talking about my particular list, a full combo list can combo off without any elve on board), NO + PRO only requires a single creature.

Just test the list guys ;)

[blind]

so what's your exact sideboarding plan with your list, against UW Blade/Control?
+4 NO +1 Progenitus, - 4 Vengevine -1 Fauna Shaman

-4 Glimpse -1 Regal -1 Joraga -1 Quirion -1 Fauna
+4 NO +1 Pro +3 Dismember

[Alexeezay]

ah okay thanks

[2sided3angle]

Is there a posting or a separate thread to give pointers on how to help maintain game state? Sometimes I forget as have I used Symbiote or not and other triggers.

Any assistance would be appreciated.

[joemauer]

Is there a posting or a separate thread to give pointers on how to help maintain game state? Sometimes I forget as have I used Symbiote or not and other triggers.

Any assistance would be appreciated.

Try putting counters or loose change on your guys.

[Tammit67]

Is there a posting or a separate thread to give pointers on how to help maintain game state? Sometimes I forget as have I used Symbiote or not and other triggers.

Any assistance would be appreciated.

I turn them upside down when I've used them. Its a little harder with quirion since I tap him too, but so long as the orientation is different it is easy to see.

[andrebonotto]

Greetings to everyone,


I have been following this thread for some time for I am assembling a Elves Combo deck for myself.

I don't have much experience with all the interactions of the deck, nor with the decision on evaluating my initial hands, beacuse as far as here, I have only played casually against friends who have not prepared efficient sideboards agains me and whose playing level is a little below mine. So, these games I could easily win.

However, since I am planning on bringing this deck to some sanctioned tournaments, I wanted to present you my current list in order to hear your advices.


Here it is:



LANDS (16):

2x Gaea's Cradle (I look forward to get the other 2)
1x Temple Garden (It will be a Savannah)
1x Dryad Arbor
4x Windswept Heath
1x Wooded Foothills (I plan to use a split of 2/2/2 of each G-Fetchland, when I get them)
1x Misty Rainforest
6x Forest

CREATURES (32):

3x Llanowar Elves
4x Heritage Druid
4x Nettle Sentinel
4x Birchlore Rangers
3x Elvish Visionary
4x Wirewood Symbiote
3x Quirion Ranger
3x Wirewood Hivemaster
1x Fauna Shaman
1x Viridian Shaman
1x Regal Force
1x Mirror Entity


OTHER SPELLS (12):

4x Glimpse of Nature
3x Green Sun's Zenith
3x Chord of Calling
1x Crop Rotation
1x Concordant Crossroads


This is what I came upon untill now, but I intend to incorporate soon a Fauna Shaman-Vengevine package (I am now 1 Fauna and 2 Vengevines short for the playset) so, advice can be oriented to this future plan to.


Also, I am not very familiarized with my actual metagame, but according to what I read from recent tournaments, there was many UWx Stoneblades, RUG, UR Delver, Punishing Maverick, TES/ANT, Dredge and Reanimate around here.

So, I tried to put together a rather "generic" sideboard for the deck:


SIDEBOARD (15):

Removal:
1x Caller of the Claw
1x Burrenton Forge-Tender

Combo:
1x Gaddock Teeg
1x Sylvan Safekeeper
1x Children of Korlis

GY:
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Loaming Shaman
1x Relic of Progenitus
1x Tormod's Crypt
1x Bojuka Bog

Enchantmenst/Artifacts:
1x Harmonic Sliver

Creatures:
1x Goblin Sharpshooter

Other Threats:
1x Phyrexian Metamorph
1x Phyrexian Revoker


Do you think this list could be competitive? What would you suggest me to change, so that I can improve it?

I am eager to receive your elder and wiser elvish advices


Sincerely,

[Augustas]

If your meta is actually how you described, I strongly recommend you to run Pamart's list. SB the way he built it is actually unnecessary, you can go with chokes + grips + combo hate and you should be fine. Believe me, it's insane. I did not have an opportunity to play it IRL, but I've already won one online tournament with it and I guess I already made top 8 in the MTGSalvation cockatrice tournament, currently 3-0 with a record of 2-1 against Bloodbraid RUG 2-1, Maverick 2-0, Junk 2-0.

[blind]

SB the way he built it is actually unnecessary

Why ...?

[resum]

you're a massive dog to zoo and punishing fire decks without no-prog