Avacyn Restored Card Discussion [SIMMERING POT OF FECAL MATTER]

[Gheizen64]

Man this has to be banned like yesterday. Everyone is going to play 4 of it + 4 brainstorms +4 Jaces +4 Ponder.

Legacy fucked up for two months i'd guess.

Griselbrand is basically reanimable Bargain. My prediction? Card will be good, but not broken, and we'll see Bargain back in the format. Bargain is arguably worse than this as this is easier to reanimate and/or Sneak attack in.

The loner Demon is nice. Make me want to play it in some aggressive suicide deck, 4/3 flier for 3 mmh...

The exile spell sucks donkey *****

EDIT: i just realized how broken this is with Jace. Play jace, put spell on top. Next turn, timewalk, activate Jace once, then next turn, activate Jace again... lol. They can't ban brainstorm for this, they'd have to ban Jace and Ponder and SDT too. Just too clunky. Ban this once and for all.

[Elminister]

Wlep. I guess we can say bye to brainstorm. I suppose I should start selling all my legacy stuff now.

Yup, these Miracle cards' purpose can only be to drive people away from Legacy. I feel even the red one is broken, but Time Walk for 2 mana is just stupid. Hell, I reckon this mechanic is going to ruin Standard, too.

[randomly.anonymous]

Omg they didn't actually just print Time Walk again did they....??????

[Philipp2293]

Honestly, I'm pretty shocked. If this stays, I could see taking a hiatus from legacy. Hope this gets banned and not brainstorm, format was really fine lately.

Being also a casual multiplayer addict this set is gonna cost me a lot of money.

[Amon Amarth]

I'm absolutely 110% disappointed that this card is being printed. Did we really need to return to the days where Blue gets all the best cards? Like, why? It's not as if cards like Jace, Top, BS, or whatever are under the radar in Legacy, is ripping Time Walks off the top of your library in Standard really that fun/skillful?

Fuck this so very much.

[keys]

Is Miracle a triggered ability? (i.e. can I stifle it?)

[JBlaze]

Memory Jar was emergency banned they can do it with this also. I mean if were smashing people with overpowered cards and time walking them out of the fucking game I am the first guy in line but this is to much If broken shit is going down you better believe I am going to be the one doing it but I won't be happy about it I will be mad as hell if I have to pick up a play set of ridiculously expensive mythic rares that I know are just going to get banned

[menace13]

Hahahahahah!!!

[Zlatzman]

Seeing that Wizard's allowed for GP Flash to happen I don't believe Temporal Mastery is going to be emergency banned. In addition the first Legacy GP is GP Atlanta on the 30th of June, i.e. after scheduled bannings.

As for Banishing Stroke I wouldn't be surprised to see it replace Path to Exile in control decks already running Temporal Mastery, especially since it also answers artifacts and enchantments.

[luckme10]

The best part about good removal is one's ability to hold on to it for just the right time. Without SDT or something, I foresee its usefulness diminished because you have to play the card upon drawing it. Time walk, on the other hand, is good anytime.

[matunos]

I genuinely don't even want to see this in the format. I don't even want to see this in standard. I don't want to see this anywhere.

I would have much preferred to see something like:

Miracle, U: Counter the next spell your opponent plays.

or 1U: Draw 3 cards.

or U: Tap all of your opponent's creatures.

or U, Choose and discard X cards: Draw X cards.

Or anything but fucking time walk.

Really? You'd rather see Ancestral Recall than Time Walk?

I'd rather play Ancestral Recall than Time Walk. Profiting by an extra turn is situational, and miracle walk doesn't give you control over timing without a supporting card like Top.

On the other hand, I could almost always use 3 more cards.

[Barook]

Is Miracle a triggered ability? (i.e. can I stifle it?)

I don't think so.

If you really want to stop the bullshit (including Jace), then Gaddock Teeg (+GSZ, despite anti-synergy) will be your man.

[I am the brainwasher]

Another possibility is that you are only allowed to play a single copy of each Miracle-card in your 75, which would somewhat balance the incredible stupidity of these cards.
I was thinking about such things for quite some time, that extremely powerful spells will be printed at some point, but that they would be balanced by an own restriction rule, which would have a ton of flavour (epic moments/deeds/events that are happening or happened in the world of the set) and would make sense due to a historical point of view, just like Legendary Creatures.
Sadly, those cards seem to have none of that. No flavour, no feeling, just incredibly dumb power-creep that just doesn't belong to this game and are indeed just printed to get the cash. I am truly disappointed, but MaRo will bounce this off quite casually I think. Big fat boo to that on my part.
Hopefully there is something that no one's knowing about that doesn't make this a complete mess, but I don't have very high hopes.
Presumably, Legacy will be fukced for quite some time... .

[Finn]

Miracle: the mechanic that finally got a brainstorm banned.

[catmint]

I personally like exciting times in legacy. New playables/innovations or even stuff completely changing the format (for a while). What sucks is that it will be expensive.. not like mental misstep.

Hope the time walk won't make things too stupid.

[hyperchord24]

How can you ban enablers when there are just so many of them? I really don't want to be that guy who says the sky is falling, but what are the chances they ban this card? I also don't like conspiracy theories, but are they trying to destroy legacy?

[Honorik]

I am sure Temporal Mastery will be banned before the new set become legal.
They are not so stupid to leave this legal and to ruin all the Legacy tournamets even for 2 weeks.

[luckme10]

Anyone actually goldfish with this thing? For stonebant, between brainstorm and jace, that's 7 outs, 4 more chances to chuck to force, and a rare unfiltered top deck. Fetchlands and Stoneforge mystic is around 10-12 shuffles. So yeah, using this card is a regular occurance whether initally drawn or not.

Chaining multiple time walks feels like diminishing returns - due to often not being able to make use of the land drops, it being too early to have established board position, or just having to draw another timewalk to chain. The period of time when you're casting the cards generally are setting up board position because that's when you have the fuel to filter cards. And in the process of filtering these cards, you're blowing brainstorms when you don't want to, or shuffling when you otherwise wouldn't. I feel like blue aggro type decks benefit much more highly than controlling decks.

Surprisingly, I actually don't think this is a card that will just be thrown into every blue deck. Throwing this card into blue decks probably means removing some of your counterspells too. My initial reaction to seeing this card was WTF like everyone else. But you know, now I'm actually not sure it'll have the same ubiquitous effect that mental misstep did. It's rather difficult to utilize brainstorm effectively if you're also trying to plant another topdeck. This card requires some building around as well as playing around.

[Einherjer]

Poll whether TimeWalk 2.0 should be banned right away or not:
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...2.0-Stillbirth

[zmattk]

Anyone actually goldfish with this thing? For stonebant, between brainstorm and jace, that's 7 outs, 4 more chances to chuck to force, and a rare unfiltered top deck. Fetchlands and Stoneforge mystic is around 10-12 shuffles. So yeah, using this card is a regular occurance whether initally drawn or not.

Chaining multiple time walks feels like diminishing returns - due to often not being able to make use of the land drops, it being too early to have established board position, or just having to draw another timewalk to chain. The period of time when you're casting the cards generally are setting up board position because that's when you have the fuel to filter cards. And in the process of filtering these cards, you're blowing brainstorms when you don't want to, or shuffling when you otherwise wouldn't. I feel like blue aggro type decks benefit much more highly than controlling decks.

Surprisingly, I actually don't think this is a card that will just be thrown into every blue deck. Throwing this card into blue decks probably means removing some of your counterspells too. My initial reaction to seeing this card was WTF like everyone else. But you know, now I'm actually not sure it'll have the same ubiquitous effect that mental misstep did. It's rather difficult to utilize brainstorm effectively if you're also trying to plant another topdeck. This card requires some building around as well as playing around.

I've thought this over a little bit as well, but it came down to one thing for me. If there is one single deck that can play this and utilize it properly, the effect on the game will be so huge and format warping there will be nothing that could be done except for banning any number of cards. Right now I bet everyone is just thinking about putting it into existing decks in place of one card and have it function to its full potential but that probably won't be the case. Any number of new decks can emerge from this not to mention the existing decks adapting to play it. Not to mention the fact that if it does make it to the format it will most definitely have the "Snapcaster" effect where everyone will be itching to play it. Then everyone who dominates with it will just say that it's the flavor of the week since it's new and it will be months until everyone realizes what a problem it is and something gets banned. I personally think it would just be safest to ban it before it can do anyone harm.