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    Re: Avacyn Restored Card Discussion [SHITSUNAMI]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tombstalker View Post
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    I think the main concern (at least mine) is that this just plugs right into maverick like everything else lately. 15+ spells that are uncounterable is nothing to sneeze at when they are knights and thalias, hell even moms. The other issue is that most of mavericks other creatures and spells could care less if it produces colorless. Really only pridemage and teeg. 4 cards.
    One of Maverick's strengths is their mana base.

    Maverick's weakness is mass removal.

    This lands weakens their strength and does nothing for it's weakness.

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    Re: Avacyn Restored Card Discussion [SHITSUNAMI]

    It also answers both Counterbalance and Chalice (or at the very least makes ramping mana to actually answer them much less of a bother) in Elves, and it isn't like Wasteland lacks targets as is (Cradle, Arbor, Pendelhaven). Weakening Quirion Ranger might be an issue, but at the very least this warrants testing.

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    I think I like this. It's no Tolarian Winds, but I guess that keeps it from being an auto-include in Dredge and makes it worth considering in RDW, at least, moreso than Faithless Looting.

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    I don't see this benefiting Maverick much. They usually GSZ their guys into play (excpt for Thalia) anyway. There's what, 3 guys who make Spell Snare targets if cast directly (Thalia, Pridemage, Teeg; plus Stoneforge if they're playing her; but none of those fourt share a creature type)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joemauer View Post
    I think this card will be playable, but not broken. I mean unless you are casting Emmy with this land then impact won't be too great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragoFireheart View Post
    Originally Posted by joemauer
    I think this card will be playable, but not broken. I mean unless you are casting Emmy with this land then impact won't be too great.

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    I think he meant Ember Beast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TsumiBand View Post
    I think he meant Ember Beast.
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    I dunno, Counterbalance and Chalice of the Void are hardly seeing any play lately.

    I think time will tell whether the fact that it helps in the combo matchup in making your hatebears uncounterable is important. Which combo decks with counters are popular at the moment? Hive Mind, Sneak-Show, Spiral Tide, Reanimator? It doesn't do anything against Storm combo like TES.

    EDIT: In Maverick, the problem with the uncounterable hatebear strategy and perhaps with the land in general is that you need to play 3-4 to be able to put them into play naturally, which forces you to cut stuff like Horizon Canopy (which, in contrast, is useful even played as a singleton) and other utility lands like Maze of Ith, Karakas etc. (I don't think anyone would cut Wasteland) which limits your ability to search for specific answers with Knight of the Reliquary. Playing a singleton Cavern on the other hand, so as to fetch it with KotR, doesn't sound so appealing because a) you probably won't want to tutor it up when you already have a Knight in play and b) this method is probably too slow to protect your hatebears against combo.
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    The land is alright, but it doesn't hose blue that badly. I really wish it had this ability instead:

    T: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool. Spend this mana only to cast creature spells of the chosen creature type. If this mana is spent on a spell, opponents can't take extra turns until the beginning of your next upkeep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malchar View Post
    The land is alright, but it doesn't hose blue that badly. I really wish it had this ability instead:

    T: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool. Spend this mana only to cast creature spells of the chosen creature type. If this mana is spent on a spell, opponents can't take extra turns until the beginning of your next upkeep.
    This is MUCH worse than the original land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trivial_matters View Post
    I dunno, Counterbalance and Chalice of the Void are hardly seeing any play lately.
    I think after AVR, that might change. I mean Miracle Wheel (in Dragon Stompy and Welder MUD) and the new Tribal Land (Chalice at one with Welder back up!).

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    That land is an abortion. Can't wait until they print all permanents you control have hexproof and all spells you own have split second.

    WotC actually works really hard to make me hate them, honestly, first they killed reanimtor with cage / surgical and now they don't want counterspells to counter monsters. "We don't like when you guise use ur blue counterspells to stop monsters were gonna make this land that makes counterspells not work anymore lolol"

    This shit shakes my confidence in owning all these cards because every block WotC trashes another archetype by printing some retard strength OP hoser card.

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    Cavern of Souls will be ridiculous in Goblins.

    Yes, I think I will run 4 lands that blank 10 cards in the Stoneblade MU.

    A Lackey off of Cavern means the opponent NEEDS spot removal, which means they need to actually spend mana, which stops them from gaining Tempo.

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    Re: Avacyn Restored Card Discussion [SHITSUNAMI]

    Quote Originally Posted by joemauer View Post
    Finally, what does this land do against Maverick? Weaken your mana base. That is all.
    Yeah, it totally doesn't make most of your best creatures uncounterable. Even if it did, why would you want uncounterable Knights of the Reliquary and Mothers of Runes? It just makes it harder to cast Swords to Plowshares.
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    Re: Avacyn Restored Card Discussion [SHITSUNAMI]

    Quote Originally Posted by jrw1985 View Post
    Cavern of Souls will be ridiculous in Goblins.

    Yes, I think I will run 4 lands that blank 10 cards in the Stoneblade MU.

    A Lackey off of Cavern means the opponent NEEDS spot removal, which means they need to actually spend mana, which stops them from gaining Tempo.
    Or a bigger creature to block the lackey, like a Tarmogofy.


    For the record Emmy did mean Ember Beast. Land will be broken!!

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    So, from what I have seen from topics:

    - Free turns is bad tempo if you can't cast it at ANY TIME YOU WANT EVEN WHEN TAKING A SHOWER.

    - Uncounterable creatures is bad and stupid.

    - CMC 1 for 4 damage or for a 4/3 is bad.

    - Emmy means a unplayable Legacy beast, not a giant Tentacle monster.

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    Re: Avacyn Restored Card Discussion [SHITSUNAMI]

    Quote Originally Posted by jrw1985 View Post
    Cavern of Souls will be ridiculous in Goblins.

    Yes, I think I will run 4 lands that blank 10 cards in the Stoneblade MU.

    A Lackey off of Cavern means the opponent NEEDS spot removal, which means they need to actually spend mana, which stops them from gaining Tempo.
    Now we need a Goblin combo hoser!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScatmanX View Post
    Now we need a Goblin combo hoser!
    How about a goblin version of Thaila?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuma View Post
    Yeah, it totally doesn't make most of your best creatures uncounterable. Even if it did, why would you want uncounterable Knights of the Reliquary and Mothers of Runes? It just makes it harder to cast Swords to Plowshares.
    I think you misunderstood that quote of mine. When playing against Maverick, one of the top decks to beat, how does having this land help you? It does not help you. It limits the spells you can cast and gives Maverick players more wasteland targets.

    However, I don't see how playing this land will help Maverick. I was under the impression Maverick>blue decks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joemauer View Post
    I was under the impression Maverick>blue decks.
    Maverick is > blue decks.

    However, it's possible with this land Maverick is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blue decks. This allows you to devote your sideboard solely to your bad matches.

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