[DTB] Sneak Attack

[feline]

This and Maverick are the 2 next decks I'm going to focus on obtaining, time to trade like crazy, again! though at least with this deck I only need about half of it, volcanic island / griselbrand / emrakul / misdirection / sneak attack, though that is the pricey'er half, if I can trade for candelabra of tawnos, I can find a way to trade for these >^,^<

[rxavage]

This and Maverick are the 2 next decks I'm going to focus on obtaining, time to trade like crazy, again! though at least with this deck I only need about half of it, volcanic island / griselbrand / emrakul / misdirection / sneak attack, though that is the pricey'er half, if I can trade for candelabra of tawnos, I can find a way to trade for these >^,^<

Welcome to the dark side and good luck in your endeavors.

[Esper3k]

May the screams and whining of your opponents keep you warm at night. (I know it does for me)

[DragoFireheart]

Explain to me how this deck doesn't auto lose to Reanimator.

Show and Tell? LOL Angel of Despair/Blazing Archon/ their own Griselbrand.

Got a Griselbrand in hand? LOL they Thoughtseize it and reanimate it later at their convenience.

They run as much disruption as you if not more ala Discard, which will royally screw up you setting up the combo.

[rxavage]

Explain to me how this deck doesn't auto lose to Reanimator.

Show and Tell? LOL Angel of Despair/Blazing Archon/ their own Griselbrand.

Got a Griselbrand in hand? LOL they Thoughtseize it and reanimate it later at their convenience.

They run as much disruption as you if not more ala Discard, which will royally screw up you setting up the combo.

LOL at playing reanimator and having creatures in hand. Honestly its a tough match-up but not nearly auto-lose, especially g2-3. And it's funny when your TS gets misdirected. Then when I sneak attack with Emmy lolzes on you LOL.LOL>LOL... See how stupid that looks. LOL.


Also, Brainstorm is a card. I mean seriously think about these things. Reanimator is just slightly faster but there is also much more hate.

[DragoFireheart]

LOL at playing reanimator and having creatures in hand. Honestly its a tough match-up but not nearly auto-lose, especially g2-3. And it's funny when your TS gets misdirected. Then when I sneak attack with Emmy lolzes on you LOL.LOL>LOL... See how stupid that looks. LOL.


Also, Brainstorm is a card. I mean seriously think about these things. Reanimator is just slightly faster but there is also much more hate.

Counter your brainstorm/MD? Duress/Thoughtseize on first turn?

Also, for game 2/3, you're weakning your combo to give you a better fightning chance while they are all set those games. They bring in their own SnT, use discard to see what you have first before they cast.

[Koby]

If we're playing the "best possible scenario" then anything can happen. Try to beat a grindy game of "2-card combo" is where skill kicks in. Show & Tell (as a card) is a liability. We board it out for Through the Breach, along with bounce for Blazing Archon.

[DragoFireheart]

If we're playing the "best possible scenario" then anything can happen. Try to beat a grindy game of "2-card combo" is where skill kicks in. Show & Tell (as a card) is a liability. We board it out for Through the Breach, along with bounce for Blazing Archon.

So your only means of winning is Sneak Attack?

[Koby]

So your only means of winning is Sneak Attack?

Do you even read at all?

[DragoFireheart]

Do you even read at all?

Apparently not.

I thought it was a bounce spell.

Are there any alternatives for cheating guys into play? I'm not fond of getting only one shot to hit them, especially at 5 mana like that.

[Koby]

Apparently not.

I thought it was a bounce spell.

Are there any alternatives for cheating guys into play? I'm not fond of getting only one shot to hit them, especially at 5 mana like that.

There is Fold into Æther but it's a 4 mana counterspell. That seems excessively slow. We also bring in graveyard hate to remove Reanimator's ability to cheat at Magic.

[DragoFireheart]

Yeah, but aren't we diluting our deck to fight theirs?

[rxavage]

Yeah, but aren't we diluting our deck to fight theirs?

Not really, it dilutes it to the point any other g2-3 would.

[Esper3k]

Plus, if you shut off their yard, you're going to have quite a bit more time to set up your own combo.

I also think them bringing in Show & Tell is probably incorrect as our dudes (Griselbrand / Emrakul) tend to trump their guys. As Koby mentioned, even if they happen to have Blazing Archon (which they're probably only going to be playing 1-2 of), we still have the ability to bounce it and kill them.

[Water_Wizard]

There is Fold into Æther but it's a 4 mana counterspell. That seems excessively slow. We also bring in graveyard hate to remove Reanimator's ability to cheat at Magic.

Unless I'm reading Fold into Aether wrong, it's the spell's controller that gets to put a creature into play (not Fold into Aether's caster). Although I do give you mad props for being able to figure out how to do that funny AE thing.

Through the Breach is strictly better. For FiA to work, you would have to cast and counter your own spell.

I think Reanimator will get hated out by all of the other decks. While graveyard resurrection is a turn quicker than hand-based cheat-a-fatty-into-play effects, graveyard resurrection is subject to a lot more hate. Players have been skimping on the graveyard hate in their sideboards and Reid Duke took advantage of that. If everyone runs 1-2 more pieces of graveyard hate next week, Reanimator is facing more of an uphill battle.

Reid Duke won with Reanimator last week, but 1) it's Reid Duke (he's a great player) and 2) it's only one week. Sure, there will be copy-cat decks in Atlanta, but just like when Burn won back-to-back SCGs, it was hot for a few weeks and it fell back into place.

I predict one of two things will happen over the coming weeks:
1) The field will adapt to fight Reanimator and put it back in its place (through running more graveyard hate), or
2) Griselbanned

[Koby]

Ya reading cards FTW. I saw someone suggest it and thought it read YOU put a creature. Nix that idea.

[rxavage]

Reid Duke won with Reanimator last week, but 1) it's Reid Duke (he's a great player)

Not to mention every feature match I watched dude always had Entomb. I'm not saying he cheated at all just that he had lucky draws. Also noticed he didn't have to mull often. Luck/variance and matchups play just as big a part as skill.

[Water_Wizard]

Yes, that and how people play against you. There was a fair amount of discussion below the SCG article recounting last week's final match regarding Duke's opponent's decision to Daze his EOT Entomb. The scenario is this.

Match 3, Reid is on the play. Reid drops a Polluted Delta and passes the turn. His opponent makes a Delver and at EOT Reid cracks for Swamp and casts Entomb. Opponent Dazes. Gerry T (in the comments) makes a good point that that's a strong tell Reid has a 2nd Entomb in hand (else, why wouldn't Reid cast Entomb on his 1st main to avoid Daze?). The counter argument to this is that Reid is playing around Tormod's Crypt (his opponent had 3 in his sideboard). Anyway, a debate breaks out over whether his opponent should counterspell Reid's enablers (Entomb, Careful Study, Hapless Researcher) or Reid's reanimation spells (Reanimate, Exhume). It's probably best to counterspell the reanimation spells, especially considering you can fight the enablers with Crypt or Ooze (you have more answers to enablers and Reid is running fewer reanimation spells (8 reanimation spells to 9 enablers, excluding sideboard decisions), but Daze loses potency as the game goes on.

I digress, but adding to rxavage's factor's below, the experience and skill of your opponent also comes into play. I love SCG's Top 8 Legacy Profiles each week - it seems like half or more of the top 8 has never played Legacy before in their lives - Matt Costa's (Reid's finals opponent) response when asked how long he had been playing this weekend's weapon of choice - "Second time playing it."

Since Reanimator hasn't been a DTB for the past few months, someone new to the Legacy scene wouldn't exactly know how to optimally play against it. Another benefit to running a 'fringe' deck - the surprise factor - newer/inexperienced players won't include it in their testing gauntlet and you'll get a few free wins because people won't know how to optimally play against you.

[lambert101]

hey everyone....just getting into this deck. Thinking about moving away from T.E.S. It looks like a ton of fun. So what would be a good list to start with? I noticed some people play Daze and others do not. Also whats a good side board plan for Maverick and RUG?


P.S. I have only played T.E.S. and Belcher for the past 2 years as my first Legacy decks.

Many Thanks.
-Lambert101

[rxavage]

Ya reading cards FTW. I saw someone suggest it and thought it read YOU put a creature. Nix that idea.

Gitaxian Probe is played along with it, so it becomes a 3 card combo but its got some surprise factor if the person doesn't have a clue and they'll probably laugh to themselves while you counter your own Probe then feel stupid when you drop Gris/Emma.