All B/R update speculation.

[Aggro_zombies]

Any last-second predictions?

No bans tonight.

Maybe in three months there will be a ban on SnT and/or a reban of Entomb. Wizards has shown they prefer to ban enablers to banning the proximate troublemakers, and Griselly Bear would be fair in this format without good ways to cheat him into play.

There is an extremely small but non-zero chance Wizards decides to upend the format and bans Brainstorm. However, I strongly suspect they see it as a format pillar and thus won't do anything with it.

[Koby]

It was pointed out to me that the link in my signature is obsolete. I contend that until December, it's still live.

Brainstorm banned tonite?

[Leftconsin]

I have playsets of 20 cards on Legacy's banned list, so I'm pretty prepared for anything. Although that includes cards they'd never take off like Tinker and Wheel, and Vintage staples like Drain, Oath, and Bazaar. I'm REALLY hoping to be able to play with Mind Twist next month.

[JDK]

#freemindtwist

[KobeBryan]

No bans tonight.

Maybe in three months there will be a ban on SnT and/or a reban of Entomb. Wizards has shown they prefer to ban enablers to banning the proximate troublemakers, and Griselly Bear would be fair in this format without good ways to cheat him into play.

There is an extremely small but non-zero chance Wizards decides to upend the format and bans Brainstorm. However, I strongly suspect they see it as a format pillar and thus won't do anything with it.

Entomb won't be banned. 1. it just came back. 2. to combo off to a griselbrand, you need to dump creature into the gy then find another card to reanimate him. 3 cards in total.

Show and tell only needs 2 cards.

If anything, show and tell will be the first to go if anything. But i don't think anything will happen today.

[GexxX]

I think they will unban Bargain. Or ban Grieselbrand. Just in case, I'm ready!

Seems optimistic, but I have a set too. Just in case!

[joemauer]

Prediction:
Show and Tell and/or Griselbrand will be banned. Tough to say which one.

Something will be unbanned to throw us a bone. Something like Mind Twist and/or Land Tax.

[Honoluluicecaps]

My predictions:

Griselbrand - Banned

Earthcraft - Unbanned
Mind Twist - Unbanned

While Show and Tell might prove even more abusive in the future, I think the four or so archetypes that rely on it bring more to the meta than detract from it.

[John Cox]

My predictions:

Griselbrand - Banned

Earthcraft - Unbanned
Mind Twist - Unbanned

While Show and Tell might prove even more abusive in the future, I think the four or so archetypes that rely on it bring more to the meta than detract from it.

+1

and flash or burning wish unbanned in vintage

[Aggro_zombies]

My predictions:

Griselbrand - Banned

Earthcraft - Unbanned
Mind Twist - Unbanned

While Show and Tell might prove even more abusive in the future, I think the four or so archetypes that rely on it bring more to the meta than detract from it.

There were a bunch of different Survival decks, including Bant, RGBSA, Tradewind, Junk, and UGx Madness, and that didn't stop that card from getting the axe.

Wizards has shown it prefers to ban enablers since, once an enabler has shown itself to be too strong with the right conditions, it's only a matter of time before new printings meet those conditions again. There are fewer necessary long-term bans if you kill the enablers.

That said, I honestly don't expect action until the fall. They didn't ban Survival right away either, even though they had an opportunity to do so during the fall B&R update.

[KobeBryan]

I really hope show and tell doesn't get banned.

It means we are back to the old boring RUG, Mav, UW stoneblade meta.

[caiomarcos]

I really hope show and tell doesn't get banned.

It means we are back to the old boring RUG, Mav, UW stoneblade meta.

I don't believe a banning reverts the metagame or the state of the format to where it was before the onset or predominance of said banned card.

Even if it does there's nothing boringier than S&T decks.

[KobeBryan]

I don't believe a banning reverts the metagame or the state of the format to where it was before the onset or predominance of said banned card.

Even if it does there's nothing boringier than S&T decks.

Its more about diversity.

[menace13]

I really hope show and tell doesn't get banned.

It means we are back to the old boring RUG, Mav, UW stoneblade meta.

Agreed.

This banning at this current time would revert the meta to pre Grisel

[Aggro_zombies]

Its more about diversity.

A stable metagame is better for diversity because it gives defined targets to Tier Two strategies. This is especially important in Legacy because the Tier One decks also tend to be the most inherently powerful decks, both in terms of consistency and their ability to weather randomness in the opening rounds.

There were plenty of decks that were viable in the Maverick/RUG/Stoneblade era, even if they didn't put up results as consistently. There are certainly a broader range of viable decks then than there are now that Griselly Bear-based combo decks are on the rise.

[Koby]

Even if it does there's nothing boringier than S&T decks.

I don't know about that. You finish the match in 20 min tops, then have 30 min to find a pub, or smoke a bowl, or shark some trades. Shit, I'm bringing a pillow with me to the Grand Prix so I can nap in between my matches. /grin/

[Erdvermampfa]

While I'd unexceptionally support the ban of Griselbrand and Show and Tell (and to a further extent even Delver of Secrets, because as long this creatures stays legal, one will have hard time justifying playing a nonblue aggressive deck), I don't think that something will be banned this time simply because there hasn't been enough time to evaluate the effective implications on the format. However, It's obvious that Griselbrand is unsustainable in the format and that Show and Tell will have to be banned at a time so i expect seeing a ban in September, which is a pity.

[JDK]

Even if it does there's nothing boringier than S&T decks.

Yeah, watching control mirrors is so much fun.

What do you prefer?
a) Someone hitting a nail on the head putting it directly into the wood
b) Someone hitting all around the nail and eventually, after five hundred tries, reaching the goal

[Einherjer]

Yeah, watching control mirrors is so much fun.

What do you prefer?
a) Someone hitting a nail on the head putting it directly into the wood
b) Someone hitting all around the nail and eventually, after five hundred tries, reaching the goal

b, as it requires much more skill to hit the nail in the end...

BAN: Show and Tell
UNBAN: Nothing

[JDK]

b, as it requires much more skill to hit the nail in the end...

BAN: Show and Tell
UNBAN: Nothing

Landdrop, Brainstorm, more Landdrops, Sword, Jace. SUPER INTENSE! :>

You just want to see SnT banned because you sold your Sneak Show. Case closed.

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