Shouldn't you be busy chasing solaran_x around the forum to shit on his alters?Originally Posted by Ertai's Familiar
If by trash you don't mean xeroxed TMD lists then sure. We also play a basically free bi-weekly 8 man, oh what fucking fun that would be if everyone copied the 3 BoM top 8 shop and dredge lists and pounded each other into repetitive fucking dust.
This fucking self righteous prick is exactly the reason not to have vintage forums.
Have you tried EDH? It seems better suited for what you are looking for.
Have you tried TC decks? It seems better suited for what you are looking for.
Morphling.De is a far superior site for Vintage top 8 and tournament report information.
As far as what I'm looking for, I cannot fathom why you find a fair and balanced meta so offensive other than the fact that you must enjoy dream crushing new players. What I offer people is a window into Vintage and from that point they are allowed to diverge as far as they would like as long as they have fun.
What really isn't fun is trying to introduce people to a format they are entirely unfamiliar with using sub par lists so they fail on the two most important levels; understanding the intricacies of a cyclic meta and how some of the strongest cards in the game function in a pool of similarly powered cards. If you do it any other way people do not have fun, they rage quit, and they stop playing. You may enjoy your eight man format, for me I'm trying to do something bigger and better.
Vintage is something I've always been interested in, have the cards for, and seem to be quite curious as to how it plays but have never taken the time to get to know the format.
On that note, I feel as if the source had a subforum dedicated to vintage decks and playing the format, I might finally decide to pick up the format and learn to play it. From what I can tell, the format seems fairly diverse right now and this might be an interesting time to get involved.
2 cents.
I'm glad you are interested, feel free to shoot me some PM's if you ever have questions. It's worth noting that NY has a fantastic Vintage scene and the best out of North America.
OK, that's a fairer response then 'You suck at magic and bring trash'. I bring new decks to try at the basically free local 8 because basically it's the only place to try things out (I don't really play online). If we all brought xeroxed dredge and shops decks people would stop coming fairly quickly as these matches are fairly tedious and unexciting. Some of the pool of 8-10 who show up are bringing stock lists and it's a good way to gauge the viability of 'trash'.
If your goal is getting people to play I can see why bringing morphling.de's finest 8 all proxied up is a fine idea.
I think a vintage subforum would be fun and interesting, but I think deck development forums in vintage are pretty much useless. TMDs are stale as a day old fart, probably due to a couple of factors, dwindling interest being one, and the desire to keep decks somewhat secret in the small cabalish world of competitive vintage (that still exists in this world). Perhaps some sticky posts describing the pillars of the format (most of which can be quickly lifted from the corners internet) to help new players, but that's about it.
You and many others overestimate the value of secrecy in Vintage and understate the value of group archetype and deck development. It's silly to think team secrecy is the foundation of TMD's failure, it isn't.
The Vintage card pool is diverse however, the majority of win conditions fall into the same basic premises they have been falling into for the past 15 years. This has been the most busy Vintage year of my MTG career and new set releases, which typically designate a large amount of innovation, have not surprised me with unexpected outcomes even when taking into account a rather high number of Vintage quality cards being released. My point, with basic understanding of the format, one can show up to an event and have a general idea of what each archetype is trying to do regardless of new releases/recent innovation. Group archetype and deck development highlights the need for an excellent understanding of meta decision trees - where you need to be and when in regards to meta slots, sideboards, and even deck choices. This is very important to being successful in Vintage and any format for that matter.
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Frankly, I feel it's that "small cabalish world" view that's keep vintage down. I agree that having a certain amount of secrecy with your "next big thing" is a good idea -- I tend not to post my latest lists on here before going to a legacy event. But that doesn't mean that I'm not still active in my thread, helping others, posting my lists after events and giving thoughts on what worked and didn't, etc. Let's be honest, with the exception of something like Bazaar and Gencon, there isn't enough vintage for people on a forum like this to actually worry about ruining their "tech." This could only help the format as a whole, in my opinion.
That's not to say that we couldn't still have support for "TMD Content" of like tournament reports and so on...but I don't see why we can't have both. You two should stop butting heads and see if there's a way to compromise on behalf of the format's health. The hood+dark room approach hasn't been working out too well.
I'm part of the Boston scene that has made up a decent amount of the posts here, including one of my best friends: "Ertai's Familiar".
Our local Legacy scene was going rather strongly for quite a while, and has hit a slight snag with a few of our members (including myself), having life events making the weekly events a little more troublesome to get to. Despite this, our Vintage scene is vibrant and growing, largely due to the efforts of said "Ertai's Familiar".
I think that if there other burgeoning Vintage communities out there, a forum that lets each of our local groups cross pollinate ideas would benefit all involved. Whether that forum should be here or TMD is up for debate (as evidenced by the existence of this thread).
Here is some purely anecdotal evidence that here could be the place though: I went looking on TMD last week for inspiration on a few deck ideas, and after seeing the lack of updates on the forum in general, just went back to my notebook. This thread (and the Facebook posts by our local guys on this thread) actually got me to post here for the first time in months.
Having said all that; I am more of a lurker than a poster, due more to laziness than lack of opinions, so I voted for the second option. But who knows, maybe all this will kick my ass into actually writing out posts, it did once so far.
Yes.
In a hypothetical forum that included: Pimp Vintage Decks (no Bronies allowed), Decks & Technology, Tournaments & Reports, Cool Story Bro!, and State of the Format. Or something like that, I would post in each of those forums (likely more regularly than Legacy).
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To clarify my vote, the answer is that if I do start playing Vintage, yes I will probably post frequently. One must first know something about the format before he opens his big dumb head to speak though.
Either way, I think the Source is the best place to have an intelligent and thorough breakdown of the various decks and their status within the format. I can appreciate the mystery aspect of Vintage, and I certainly don't have any preconceived notions of how "busted" or "fast" or "unfair" it can be. I play Legacy, and that's enough for me to realize that any truly healthy Eternal format rewards fresh design and tight play the most, and forums will only ever get you so far. That said, Vintage is THE degenerate format, so no amount of mystery or lacktherof is going to stop the best players from crushing the noobs at real tournaments. Mystery will not be lost.
i would post in a pimp thread fore sure
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What is there to talk about?
Isn't Vintage just Dredge/Shop/Ritual Storm/Blue goodstuff.dec?
Not being a hater, but I just don't see there being much to discuss. Plus, who wants to buy power? Buying duals and other legacy staples is ridiculous enough!
Can we get a 5 Color sub forum or a 100 card Highlander sub forum?
That sounds way more fun.
Where in NY? I'm assuming Upstate or Long Island?
Nothing in the city, I believe mostly in Vally Stream and Selden. Decent amount of events in NJ as well.
Rainbow stairwell imo.
Throwback!!!! Love me some Rainbow Stairwell.
@Ertai-Thank you for the info. I doubt I'll be going anytime soon but good to know in case I ever do.
I might have to check this vintage scene out in Boston. Where are these tournaments held?
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