[Deck] The Rock

[Mirrislegend]

I try to read here all the time, but I have nothing new to share.

I'm still doing VERY well with my regular list. I was playing against Sneak and Show, screwed up 3 separate times with Knight activations (I could have Wastelanded him EOT, but played it safe and didn't), and instead, he managed to get 2 red up for a single turn.

He Sneaks Emrakul, but I fetch Karakas. I bounce in the beginning of combat, but he slams it back down. I take 15 going to 1 and losing all my permanents except Knight and Karakas. I think proceed to beat him down with the Knight and win

-Matt

Awesome sauce. I'm so terrified of that matchup. I'm playing 3x Diabolic Edict in my SB. What do you guys run against Sneak and Show?

[lavafrogg]

Sorry, mom hierarch was what fell to the EE. I wastelanded every arbor that was played.

I want EE over zealous for the RUG match, which I could have played.

Go go junk!!

For sneak and show- I am not scared of show and tell as I can drop a knight and bounce/stop whatever creature they drop. I can play a Lilliana before show and tell and beat as fast as possible to slow griselbrand. Sneak attack is the bitch. I will extirpate sneak attacks on sight as I really don't have an answer for it outside of karakas, which I should but don't have.

[Sughayyer]

@frogg
About the sneak & show thing, I play that way too; griselband is not a problem at all. Sneak attack + emrakul is.... especially if they have the second red mana, wich nullifies our bounce (he can just put the creature in play on the attacking phase before declaring attackers; if emrakul was already declared as an attacker, the anihilator ability triggers).
AND POST YOUR LIST frogg!
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Last wednesday I tested -1 top +1 inquisition. I didnt like it, I think I missed the top. I also definitely can't play with 23 lands. Plus, I'm getting curious about using lingering souls instead of goyf, but I think that would require the stoneforge package to be really effective... and if I have to go this route I'd rather go BW. And last but not least, I'm considering dropping elspeth or library for the fourth bob.

Oppinions?

[Mirrislegend]

Last wednesday I tested -1 top +1 inquisition. I didnt like it, I think I missed the top. I also definitely can't play with 23 lands. Plus, I'm getting curious about using lingering souls instead of goyf, but I think that would require the stoneforge package to be really effective... and if I have to go this route I'd rather go BW. And last but not least, I'm considering dropping elspeth or library for the fourth bob.

Souls is VERY effective if you're also playing Stoneforge. I can attest to this firsthand. However, I stuck with Junk colors because the raw power of Knight, GSZ, Ooze, Goyf, and the SB options simply cannot be underestimated

Definitely put in the 4th Bob. He tends to die on sight, so with 4 you can afford to lose one or two. Gives you great flexibility in combat and in trying to bait counterspells and removal.

[Sughayyer]

I'm also thinking about the gw match, maybe instead of going into the attrition match, go full-control, relying on knight and elspeth as finishers, bringing deed, plague, infest, all removals.... don't know if it's the right thing to do, tough.

I also need some help against the esper match... it used to be easier, but here in my meta they are becoming more and more like the uw stoneblade, full-boring control... but I think it's just lack of pratice.

And yes, definitely need the 4th bob. I just don't know what to take away... maybe elspeth? her high cost is an issue, but she does so well against many matches.... or should I go 61 cards?

[Mirrislegend]

I'm also thinking about the gw match, maybe instead of going into the attrition match, go full-control, relying on knight and elspeth as finishers, bringing deed, plague, infest, all removals.... don't know if it's the right thing to do, tough.

I also need some help against the esper match... it used to be easier, but here in my meta they are becoming more and more like the uw stoneblade, full-boring control... but I think it's just lack of pratice.

And yes, definitely need the 4th bob. I just don't know what to take away... maybe elspeth? her high cost is an issue, but she does so well against many matches.... or should I go 61 cards?

If you bring in a gazillion removal spells, then you can probably go full control. If you don't, then tread carefully. Keep in mind the decks do similar things, but they do creatures better than we do.

Beating control is definitely a matter of practice.

How many Sensei's Divining Top/Sylvan Library do you play? That will determine how to balance Bob vs high cmc cards

[lavafrogg]

My list from my tourney per request:

Creatures 15:
4 knight of the reliquary
4 tarmogoyf
4 dark confidant
1 scavenging ooze
1 quasali pridemage
1 eternal witness

Spells 18:
3 inquisition of kozelic
3 thoughtsieze
4 swords to plowshares
4 green suns zenith
3 mox diamonds
1 life from the loam

Planeswalkers 3:
3 Lilliana of the veil

Land 24:
4 wastelands
1 volrath's stronghold
1 nantuko monastery
1 swamp
1 plains
1 forest
1 dryad arbor
8 fetches
6 duals

The stronghold/monastery should be karakas/maze if your meta has a lot of griselbrand variations otherwise keep with stronghold/monastery.

Sideboard 15:
1 gaddock teeg
3 extirpate
3 choke
2 krosan grip
2 path to exile
3 engineered explosives
1 life from the loam

[Mirrislegend]

My list from my tourney per request:

Creatures 15:
4 knight of the reliquary
4 tarmogoyf
4 dark confidant
1 scavenging ooze
1 quasali pridemage
1 eternal witness

Spells 18:
3 inquisition of kozelic
3 thoughtsieze
4 swords to plowshares
4 green suns zenith
3 mox diamonds
1 life from the loam

Planeswalkers 3:
3 Lilliana of the veil

Land 24:
4 wastelands
1 volrath's stronghold
1 nantuko monastery
1 swamp
1 plains
1 forest
1 dryad arbor
8 fetches
6 duals

The stronghold/monastery should be karakas/maze if your meta has a lot of griselbrand variations otherwise keep with stronghold/monastery.

Sideboard 15:
1 gaddock teeg
3 extirpate
3 choke
2 krosan grip
2 path to exile
3 engineered explosives
1 life from the loam

How have the KGrips been for you?
How is 3 EE? Seems slightly excessive to me.
Teeg is a major target, as he really just shuts off some decks. Consider a 2nd copy, to keep them in line

[lavafrogg]

Engineered Explosives: I wish I could go up to four, it is good in almost every matchup killing anything from zero to three on a consistent basis.

Krosan Grip: You want an out to humility, scepter chant, a way to kill a batterskull, a counterbalance or any problem target. Sometimes you just need to kill something.

Teeg: you only really want one in most matchups because they will bounce it and kill you in the same turn, against UW Miracles they have to answer all of your creatures and teeg is just a roadblock to them achieving that goal. Just a note, if you extirpate their spot removal, they can't answer a resolved teeg....You should be a walking nightmare against miracles after board. With knights, goyfs, chokes, discard, Lilliana, bob and maybe extirpates(depending on their list).

[Mirrislegend]

Engineered Explosives: I wish I could go up to four, it is good in almost every matchup killing anything from zero to three on a consistent basis

So why not play EE in the MD if it's that good?

[Jacemindbreak]

Why play EE when you have access to the best board removal in the game...pernicious deed.

[lavafrogg]

So why not play EE in the MD if it's that good?

I don't like having dead cards in non interactive matchups, swords can interact with gristlebrand and can be live against tendrils. EE is killer against fair decks but does nothing against the players that don't like to play magic.

If I new combo was a no show, I would play them maindeck in a heart beat but last tourney I played 2 mav 2 gristlebrand...

[Sughayyer]

I still like pernicious deed. I nkow it's pratically a crime when I play mox, but most matches I bring deed I put away the moxen.

I'm eager to play next wednesday and bring news, but untill then, all I have to do about this thread is read =/

I'm also starting to "pet" that loam rock/pox list I posted.... I'll test it in a bigger tournament sometime.......

[damionblackgear]

I still like pernicious deed. I nkow it's pratically a crime when I play mox, but most matches I bring deed I put away the moxen.

I'm eager to play next wednesday and bring news, but untill then, all I have to do about this thread is read =/

I'm also starting to "pet" that loam rock/pox list I posted.... I'll test it in a bigger tournament sometime.......

Legacy Daily fired. I actually entered and recorded it so you can watch this instead of reading. :)
The Event.

[Angels]

Legacy Daily fired. I actually entered and recorded it so you can watch this instead of reading. :)
The Event.

The comment you made about the Miracle player having Jace saying that he has the +2 ability, It's not good when you have a top in play plus he only has 1 card when Jace resolved.

[lavafrogg]

Is there any way we can get more value out of Karakas? I have been looking through legendary creatures and trying to find an abusable dood.

[sdematt]

You need MORE value than completely locking out your Reanimator and Sneak and Show opponents? You're worse than me playing Scrabble, where 36 points for a word just isn't enough value.

-Matt

[lavafrogg]

36 is enough if it is three letters...and yeah, I want more value out of my cards!

[Claymore]

mangara of corondor if you want to go the death and taxes route

[Sughayyer]

In order to mangara to be truly effective, you need vial, and with that comes a totally different deck.

Also, I think I need to train more against esper :(

And last but not least, I said before I'm tinkering with the BG loam version... If I manage to consistently beat sneak & show, I'll probably gonnna start playing it once in a while...