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    Most significant 'new' set on legacy?

    I'm kinda curious about what recent sets (say, since Alara block) have had the biggest impact on legacy?
    They've all added something to legacy, but I'm having trouble making up my mind which has had the largest impact. Was it avacyn's miracles? Zendikars new fetches? Phyrexia's equipments? worldwakes jace and mystic?
    What do you lot think?

    Personally, I think Jace and stoneforge - both from worldwake - might have made the biggest impact.

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    Re: Most significant 'new' set on legacy?

    Zendikar had a host of playables, from Spell Pierce and enemy fetches to Iona, Shield of Emeria, Mindbreak Trap, and Bloodghast.
    I think it wins the prize.

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    Re: Most significant 'new' set on legacy?

    Delver and Snapcaster

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    Re: Most significant 'new' set on legacy?

    Zendikar and Alara block were both huge sets for Legacy. Of the two, I'd say Zendikar was still the bigger set although it's close.

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    Re: Most significant 'new' set on legacy?

    Rise of Eldrazi had the most impact. How do I ascertain this?

    It got Survival of the Fittest banned.
    It still roars waves whenever you get Torn.
    Inquisition of Kozilek.
    Forked Bolt your mana dorks.
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    Innistad had a huge impact on Legacy: Delver of Secrets and Snapcaster Mage are the big ones, plus Geist of Taft Saint, Liliana of the Veil, and for combo, Past in Flames. Oh, and Labratory Maniac has seen some play in Doomsday.

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    Re: Most significant 'new' set on legacy?

    Alara Block followed by Scars

    Alara had a great impact on Legacy:
    Knight Of The Reliquary
    Path To Exile
    Noble Hierarch
    Progenitus
    Elspeth, Knight Errant
    Cascade mechanic
    Master Of Etherium
    Ethersworn Canonist
    Conflux
    Wild Nacatl
    Qasali Pridemage
    Sphinx Of The Steelwind

    I am sure there are more (I have seen some Knight Of New Alara decks that float around), but it has had a great impact on Legacy
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    Re: Most significant 'new' set on legacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Koby View Post
    Rise of Eldrazi had the most impact. How do I ascertain this?

    It got Survival of the Fittest banned.
    It still roars waves whenever you get Torn.
    Inquisition of Kozilek.
    Forked Bolt your mana dorks.
    etc
    Yeah LOL technically that set has put two cards within ban range.

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    Re: Most significant 'new' set on legacy?

    I feel Ever since Mirrodin is where the change happened. Alara probably has the most cards for Legacy in any block from Mirrodin to now.I would rate them in order;
    Alara
    Scars
    Zendikar
    Innistrad
    Lorwyn
    Mirrodin
    Time Spiral
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    Re: Most significant 'new' set on legacy?

    New Phyrexia had quite some cards as well:

    Batterskull
    Dismember
    Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
    Gitaxian Probe
    Gut Shot
    Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur
    Mental Misstep
    Phyrexian Metamorph
    Surgical Extraction

    To name just important ones, while there are some other cards as well.

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    I think Alpha had the biggest impact on Legacy, if we look back that far.

    Swords to Plowshares
    Lightning Bolt
    Counterspell
    Dark Ritual
    basic lands

    Half the Ban list appear from Alpha.
    Clearly, it's overpowered.
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    Re: Most significant 'new' set on legacy?

    Homelands would have been the most broken set if they didn't print Apocalypse Chime to keep that broken set in check.

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    Re: Most significant 'new' set on legacy?

    Easily New Phyrexia.

    Mental Misstep was the most played card during its run in Legacy and it's the only "new" card to be banned from Legacy. In fact, you'll have to go back to 2004 with Darksteel (Skullclamp) to see the next "newest" banned card.

    Mental Misstep saw more play than Brainstorm. Brainstorm sees far more play than any two or three new cards put together. This includes the likes of Delver of Secrets and Snapcaster Mage. I'd guess that Mental Misstep by itself sees more Legacy play in a given tournament than the entirety of Innistrad. (According to TCDecks for August: Brainstorm = 940; Delver = 336; Snapcaster Mage not in top 20, so fewer than 284).

    If that weren't enough, consider that Surgical Extraction has been the most played sideboard card and the most played black card for just about every month since it's been released. Batterskull was found in every viable control deck since its release (until Avacyn Restored brought some goodies that allowed control decks to go in a different direction).

    Add to that the likes of Elesh Norn, Jin-Gitaxias, Gitaxian Probe, Phyrexian Metamorph, and Dismember, all of which see decent play. In addition, Procelain Legionnaire, Noxious Revival, Spellskite, Vault Skirge, Gut Shot, Beast Within, Birthing Pod, and Torpor Orb have all seen occasional play, even if relatively little.

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    Re: Most significant 'new' set on legacy?

    Time Spiral Block had some nice stuff.

    Bridge From Below
    Nacromeba
    Dread Return
    =All 3 made Dredge what it is.
    Tarmogoyf= raised the bar for low cost/high power creature, one of the most splashed creatures ever
    Tombstalker=Very popular card for the old TA style decks
    Serra Avenger/Mangara=Popular DnT Cards
    Tolaria West=Lands Staple
    Academy Ruins=Lands Staple,Frequently seen land card for blade decks
    Empty The Warrens=Alternate Win Con For Storm

    Not saying that TS block is the definitive game changing block, but it pretty much made the dredge archetype playable. And Goyf is still a great card in pretty much every format.

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    Re: Most significant 'new' set on legacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Koby View Post
    I think Alpha had the biggest impact on Legacy, if we look back that far.

    Swords to Plowshares
    Lightning Bolt
    Counterspell
    Dark Ritual
    basic lands

    Half the Ban list appear from Alpha.
    Clearly, it's overpowered.
    I would say beta because you get an extra dual

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    Re: Most significant 'new' set on legacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jacemindbreak View Post
    I would say beta because you get an extra dual
    And a good one at that.
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    By far Alara to me
    knoght of reliquary
    noble
    quasali
    nacatl
    canonist
    path to exile
    elspeth
    adnauseam
    relic of progenitus
    sigil of the empty throne
    progenitus
    pulse
    Akroma's sphinx
    tezzeret
    thopter foundry
    elvish visionnary
    Master of etherium
    conflux



    the set defined a new Bant shell, provided a very powerful new storm engine, some good hates, some niche but useful cards, exalt & cascade mechanics (even if not that played in legacy, but they still appear sometime though).
    Definitly the most impactful recent set to me because it feeded each strategy (combo / control / aggro) at almost the same level of potence, and really defined a new environment. As well there was really good cards in zendikar, mirrodin and innistrad, but still a bit less than alara did to me.

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    Well alara was a block so it was three sets not one.

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    Re: Most significant 'new' set on legacy?

    Koby's argument is pretty compelling for RotE, although I think if we go by weight-per-card it has to be Conflux. For a small set you got these heavy hitters:

    Noble Hierarch
    Knight of the Reliquary
    Path to Exile
    Progenitus

    + the middling:

    Hellspark Elemental
    Inkwell Leviathan
    Conflux
    Sigil of the Empty Throne

    And the borderline:

    Banefire
    Volcanic Fallout
    Magister Sphinx
    Parasitic Strix
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    Re: Most significant 'new' set on legacy?

    Yay! Math and data!!
    Top 20 played cards according to TCdecks (August):
    1 Brainstorm 940 (IA)
    2 Force of Will 876 (AL)
    3 Wasteland 782 (TE)
    4 Swords to Plowshares 642 (A)
    5 Ponder 584 (LOR)
    6 Spell Pierce 568 (ZEN)
    7 Misty Rainforest 511 (ZEN)
    8 Scalding Tarn 475 (ZEN)

    9 Daze 434 (NE)
    10 Lightning Bolt 423 (A)
    11 Surgical Extraction 409 (NPH)
    12 Flooded Strand 402 (ONS)
    13 Volcanic Island 397 (B)
    14 Polluted Delta 340 (ONS)
    15 Delver of Secrets 336 (INN)
    16 Submerge 314 (NE)
    17 Stoneforge Mystic 301 (WWK)
    18 Tropical Island 300 (A)
    19 Tarmogoyf 291 (FS)
    20 Tundra 284 (A)

    Discounting the fetchlands as a cross-set phenomenon, since the highest played ones are Blue fetching anyway.

    We see Alpha/Beta dual lands, cantrips, Force of Will and Wasteland.

    Closer inspection of the top 20 reveals:

    Row Labels Sum of #
    A 1649
    ZEN 986
    IA 940
    AL 876
    WWK 869
    TE 782
    NE 748
    ONS 742
    LOR 584
    NPH 409
    B 397
    INN 336
    FS 291

    If we eliminate fetchlands, this changes to become:
    Row Labels Sum of #
    A 1649
    IA 940
    AL 876
    WWK 869
    TE 782
    NE 748
    LOR 584
    NPH 409
    B 397
    INN 336
    FS 291

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