Randomly browsing, I saw that bilb_o had posted thisI have a big problem with this. Can I get a confirmation that this is indeed the plan? If so, WTF?!At the last comiccon panel about RtR I think they made it clear enough that they don't see a future for Legacy long term and will wait 'till it dies due to the price inflation.
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Legacy is the only reason I play Magic. If they don't support it, I leave the game, so there's 1...
That's a pretty big gaffe for Wizards to make, which makes me believe it is an inaccurate paraphrasing. Wizards never makes definitive statements like that, it's just not their M.O.
Not to mention, if they wanted to, they could keep Legacy afloat and still make money. Most every Legacy staple is also used in other popular formats, like Modern, Cube, or EDH. You wouldn't make a ton of money selling to solely Legacy players, but the huge Commander/EDH base would love a shot at duals, Moats, Tabernacles, Cradles, and the like in some sort of product.
The Reserve List is only in place because Wizards hasn't yet realized they can make bank scrapping it. There is no way anyone would be able to make a serious claim in a court of law against Hasbro if WotC axed the list. I can't imagine a judge taking a class action suit about devalued cardboard from a bunch of Comic Book Guys seriously (all the major secondary market types, if I recall correctly, are in favor of an abolition of the list). If anyone wants to show me some suits about baseball cards, comic books, or whatever that show my understanding of legal precedent is shit, be my guest, but I doubt that'll happen.
So start playing EDH and slinging duals, because when millions of players in a popular (and heavily supported) format are hungry for them, Wizards will leap at the opportunity to make bank.
If wizards were to reprint they would either completely invalidate modern as a format or they would need to release the sets as something like a duel deck.
And.. there's two.Originally Posted by troopatroop
There's 3... Seriously, if legacy teeters off, I would only play draft since the vintage scene doesn't exist anymore in San Diego.
Edit: And the guys in my area who draft are assholes lol.
Makes 4.
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Does anyone have actual quotes or preferably video from the panel that has them state that?
What makes you convinced that it's "only in place" because of that? Because from what I can tell Wizards of the Coast hasn't stated their reasons, with some R&D members flat-out saying that they're not allowed to tell people why. If it really was just some kind of "Wizards has market research indicating that the fallout from such a thing would be too much even for the money made" then I'd think they'd be able to say it, especially considering that pretty much was the line we were given for a while.
I mean, I've got no idea what the reason is, but whatever this mysterious reason is, I doubt it's just "we haven't figured out we can make money from it yet."
In the United States, probably. But someone did tell me--and they could have been completely wrong for all I know--that in other countries where Magic is sold, there are real legal problems with it. No idea if that's true or not, though.There is no way anyone would be able to make a serious claim in a court of law against Hasbro if WotC axed the list.
Modern is a valid format?
Hi guys,
I indeed paraphrased/summarized what I remember from the video. I don't mean to start panic/hysteria based on my own understanding of a panel by the word of ear so I'll try to find the original video and post it here in a few mins.
Edit: Here's the video. There was a question about Legacy/reprints. I'll try to find the minute and update my post. (Found it, scroll to 23:40)
"We definitely don't want a format that is inaccessible to people, we know it's going to be fun (Modern), it's going to take some time to get them out there but we're doing it."
My take on this was that it's going to take some time to let Legacy get sidetracked by Modern but they made the decision, they created the format and they are going with that.
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What I think is, that Modern, a fucking bullshit format btw, will get more popular over time, until it's reaching the point, that both formats are kind of equally popular. At this point "older" Modern players will start playing Legacy too, some Legacyplayers will start playing Modern too due to the PWP or stuff, but new people will first step into Modern. This, in the process, leads to, lets say... 60% people playing Modern, 50% playing Legacy --> 10% of this 110% plays both. That's what I think, even 40/70, I dont know.
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I got the same impression in an Aaron Forsythe AMA, just goes all wrong direction imo http://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/com..._of_the_coast/
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And this seems like it would be a poor decision on wizard's part... I know they have their reasons for the reserve list, I hate the thing but whatever, I doubt it's a fight we'll win, but there are a ton of legacy staples they can reprint. Just to name a few: Wasteland, Force of Will, Tarmogoyf, sinkhole, All of the fetch lands, Sensei's Divining Top, Swords to Plow Shares, Show and Tell, Dark Confidant(bob), the blasts (REB, hydro, etc), Natural Order, Karakas, Rishadan Port, The Swords, Knight of the relequary, Emrakul.
So, even if dual lands keep going up, they can be replaced by shocks to some extent, I know a lot of "budgeted" legacy players who do that already, enough of the format can be reprinted that letting it fall into the same degree of obscurity as vintage would really be entirely wizards' choice, and I think they would lose a lot of money, and players, by just letting it die.
Edit: btw I'm not saying these should all be reprinted in a rotating set, most of them I think would be fine for a rotating set, I can understand if wizards doesn't want these cards in modern, but a "dual deck" or "commander" deck stuff like that could all be perfectly reasonable ways to reprint them without bringing them to standard or modern
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Don't their patents on certain Magic stuff run out soon?
What was that again?
Edit: If the format gets too expensive, there's always the chance to allow proxies, e.g. being allowed to proxy dual lands. Most Legacy tournaments aren't made by Wizards anyway.
It's still way better for the overall value of old cards (the rest of the deck, not the proxies) to keep them useable instead of killing off the playerbase.
The patents would have expired already, but the length of the patent was artificially extended by recent laws. If U.S. politicians don't extend them again the same way they keep extending copyright laws ad infinitum, the Mtg patent should finally expire on 2015.
Please stop talking about whether Force of Will is broken or not. It obviously is, and rather than "the glue that holds vintage together" it would be better to call it "the rug under which you hide the filth until there's so much that you can no longer conceal it".
Wizards themselves probably wouldn't due the Reserve List, but if I'm not mistaken, third parties could.
I don't think that would be a question of patents but rather trademark and copyrights.
If 3rd Parties reprint stuff, I somewhat doubt wizards would allow them to be tournament legal. I'm not exactly sure how the reprintings would work, but there is almost certainly some bit of fine-print on the card that makes it identifiable as an official print, that would need to be changed if a 3rd party were to print a copy.
From looking at a card on my desk, I would think the info on the bottom-left of the card (artist name, copyrite info etc) could fill this purpose.
Though to make this a possibility, they would need to ban altered art cards as well.
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