The Long Term future of this format...

[lavafrogg]

Ponies?

[dontbiteitholmes]

SCG is going to Modern next year.

What happens with the format after that is in our hands.

In the long run I don't think it will affect the prices of cards much. They will dip for a while when all the SCG grinders sell off but then the people who were waiting for their moment to buy legacy cards will step up and stabilize the prices. The lower the card prices go the more people willing to buy them so there is a distinct ground level prices won't go below (I think we'll still continue to see Legacy GPs also since they are extremely popular which will keep prices normal).

I'm not gonna sell out and I'll continue playing Legacy.

[PunkRocker1134]

SCG is going to Modern next year.

Where did you see that, or are you just speculating? I haven't seen anything saying that, so I'm really curious where you got that info from.

[DLifshitz]

Where did you see that, or are you just speculating? I haven't seen anything saying that, so I'm really curious where you got that info from.

Seconded.

That would be very sad news.

[wcm8]

Although it would hardly affect me since I don't play in the SCG Open circuit except when they're nearby, it would be a tragedy for them to drop the Legacy portion for Modern. Any format where Serum Visions is the best cantrip is miserable.

[DragoFireheart]

SCG is going to Modern next year.

Unless you can back up with such a strong statement with some evidence, please stop trolling. Thanks.

[Jenni]

Although it would hardly affect me since I don't play in the SCG Open circuit except when they're nearby, it would be a tragedy for them to drop the Legacy portion for Modern. Any format where Serum Visions is the best cantrip is miserable.

It might not directly affect you, but it would be a heavy blow to the format as a whole, and probably drop casual interest a bit, SCG seems to be a big part of why the format's popularity has been staying high of late.

[Hanni]

SCG is going to Modern next year.

SCG is a third party company, and their only concern is their profit margin. With Legacy events being as successful as they have been, and since they are directly making money off of card sales for the Legacy format, I cannot understand why they would drop Legacy from their gauntlet. They could just as easily run Modern events too... but dropping Legacy? I'm pretty sure that would not be in their financial interests.

I'm going to have to go with everyone else on this, and call bullshit.

[Ziveeman]

It doesn't make a lot of sense for them to switch to Modern financially. The only reason why people buy Legacy stuff (of course besides us hardcore Legacy-only players) is because of their Open Series, so they wouldn't be able to sell any Legacy cards at all. On the other hand, Modern cards will always sell because of the PTQ season.

Also, SCG has announced the beginning of the 2013 Open Series and it is Legacy, so there's hope...

[Jenni]

SCG is a third party company, and their only concern is their profit margin. With Legacy events being as successful as they have been, and since they are directly making money off of card sales for the Legacy format, I cannot understand why they would drop Legacy from their gauntlet. They could just as easily run Modern events too... but dropping Legacy? I'm pretty sure that would not be in their financial interests.

I'm going to have to go with everyone else on this, and call bullshit.

Yeah, I could understand if they need to hold fewer legacy events, though, to make time for modern ones, but I somewhat doubt they will be dropping legacy entirely anytime soon, it just doesn't make sense financially, especially when they make a good amount of money off of legacy cards that aren't modern legal.

[DragoFireheart]

SCG is a third party company, and their only concern is their profit margin. With Legacy events being as successful as they have been, and since they are directly making money off of card sales for the Legacy format, I cannot understand why they would drop Legacy from their gauntlet. They could just as easily run Modern events too... but dropping Legacy? I'm pretty sure that would not be in their financial interests.

I'm going to have to go with everyone else on this, and call bullshit.

- You know some jackass might quote him and start spreading rumors about SCG dropping Legacy. It's one thing to post what you think, but it's another to make a bold claim of such magnitude and have nothing to back it up.

[Mr. Safety]

Mr. Safety:
1) plays legacy
2) plays modern
3) loves his pauper classic on MWS
4) reads about/talks standard but doesn't play due to lack of opportunity

Why all the above? Because its all still Magic...just varying degrees of satisfaction. Just because getting laid is awesome doesn't mean a hand-job isn't welcome every now and then...

[TsumiBand]

I eschew Modern, and have no local people to play Legacy with as it seems to have the same stigma as Vintage around here (too fast, too expensive, too uninteractive). Really more social players are EDH than anything else around here anymore.

I want to say that this bothers me, maybe the hard rapids of time have worn me down a bit. I used to be pretty gung-ho about abolishing the Reserve List, but it's never going to happen. Without making the pieces available to the common person, the format won't be able to grow without being subject to the same power creep that Standard has to endure. And legacy players seem to have a real love-hate relationship with Standard junk that trickles down to Legacy, especially if - ooopth - it's Blue.

It's been all about EDH for me for the last year anyway, and that's a format where they can be goofy and print Eternal-legal-but-only-good-for-this-format-that-doesn't-also-ruin-Standard stuff, and also they can just print good things like Sol Ring without batting an eyelash. Gotta say, I like that. Legacy falling off the radar is old news :(

EDIT - I should say that having said all this, if there were actually a Legacy event worth going to in Nebraska, I'd be all over it. I do enjoy this format. I'm a product of my community though, and the community is largely FNM and EDH. So whachagonnado.

[Jenni]

I eschew Modern, and have no local people to play Legacy with as it seems to have the same stigma as Vintage around here (too fast, too expensive, too uninteractive). Really more social players are EDH than anything else around here anymore.

you could try to start your own local legacy scene, show people some of the slower more interactive decks, how interactive the games can be, and if they play EDH then they probably have a solid enough collection to make a playable legacy deck, with only a few small purchases to finish playsets and the like already anyway, so it shouldn't be too expensive.

[RaNDoMxGeSTuReS]

EDIT - I should say that having said all this, if there were actually a Legacy event worth going to in Nebraska, I'd be all over it.

You must live in western Nebraska.

[Lord Seth]

SCG is a third party company, and their only concern is their profit margin. With Legacy events being as successful as they have been, and since they are directly making money off of card sales for the Legacy format, I cannot understand why they would drop Legacy from their gauntlet. They could just as easily run Modern events too... but dropping Legacy? I'm pretty sure that would not be in their financial interests.

I'm going to have to go with everyone else on this, and call bullshit.

I don't think the issue is whether such a move would make sense or not, companies often do things that don't make sense or were in retrospect mistakes. My question is what source backs this up. Because from everything I can tell, dontbititholmes made it up.

[TsumiBand]

You must live in western Nebraska.

No, Lincoln. I hope you're not referring to the 10-proxy, $10 events at HobbyTown. I love that store, I really do, I learned how to play Magic with the store owner and most of his friends, and I'm pretty militant about shopping there and only there for my Magic stuff b/c I literally "knew that guy when he was a cashier" and watched him go on to own two stores. But I cannot pay to play on a regular basis. So maybe my financial status is a little restrictive.

[Mr Miagi]

And that right there would be the final straw for me. I don't have many altered cards, but what I do have is rather (in)famous in the game world now. My fame (or infamy) has spread far and wide, and I'm often the first person mentioned when people talk about altered Power Nine.

Or should I say...

Pony Nine.

o modesty where art thou

[alderon666]

I'm really hoping for Legacy to die off sooner than later. I'm just sick of Force of Will, Show and Tell, Counterbalance, [add obnoxious card here]...

I also hate that feeling: "man the deck that won today's SCG is so cool, let me see what cards I need to buy to build it! oh need to buy just $1000 in cards? guess I'll just play my old deck...".

I'm not even saying Modern solves that completely, but Legacy's card price is just absurd and there's basically no hope of fixing that... EVER! At least on Modern we have the hope of staples being reprinted...

I'm selling out my stuff and playing budget Legacy decks while collecting some Modern staples.

[Jamaican Zombie Legend]

What makes you convinced that it's "only in place" because of that? Because from what I can tell Wizards of the Coast hasn't stated their reasons, with some R&D members flat-out saying that they're not allowed to tell people why. If it really was just some kind of "Wizards has market research indicating that the fallout from such a thing would be too much even for the money made" then I'd think they'd be able to say it, especially considering that pretty much was the line we were given for a while.

You have to read between the lines and deduce it by looking at the situation. There's no way Wizards could lose in a court of law if they abolished the list. All the large retailers are anti-List, and there's no way a class action suit of "M-M--MY INVESTMENT IN CHILDREN'S CARD GAMES" would not get laughed out of court.

They're remaining mum on the issue because it would be terrible PR to say "Oh hey Legacy players, we see your format as a threat to our bottom line because people won't pay in to play shitty Standard where Equip Hexproof Dude and Swing is SOOO GOOD when they can just pay into Legacy once". That's why they spin the bullshit of "We can't tell you; it's a mystery!".

The problem here is that they don't understand two things.

One, Legacy does a lot more for Magic than they realize. It's a great way to keep people interested in Magic, keep their attention, and drive spending on Magic-related activities as opposed to other hobbies. For example, if Legacy shits the bed, the only other format I really like is Limited. A few bad Limited seasons (like Avacyn Restored), and my interest in Magic wanes. I stop checking out Magic sites (well, okay, this is mostly the only one I check out much anymore), I stop seeing Magic ads, and my cashmoney is going elsewhere. Legacy, as a good Eternal format, keeps me in the loop. Maybe I read about how the new set made drafting much better, and now I'm buying shit. A win for Wizards because they support a format critical for player retention.

Second, if they're worried about Legacy eating into Standard...well, they shouldn't be. The can control the format's size through both quantity of reprints as well as amount of tournaments. They don't need to makes U-Seas five bucks a pop, but they do so much just by reprinting them and ending the rampant speculation based on "Duals will always go up because they'll never be reprinted!". Just do enough to stabilize the format a bit and sock it to the goddamn speculators. And if there are no Legacy PTQs, fewer GPs, and it can't be an FNM format...well, it's not ever going to eclipse Standard/Limited/Modern/etc.

Oh look, another "Let's shit on Modern" thread

Brother, I have tried to get into Modern, but it's a deeply flawed format that doesn't offer much. It would need a lot of work to be good, is being completely mismanaged, and it edged out a format that seemed a lot better (Gavin Verhey's Overextended). Not a lot to like there.