If you're referring to me, I wasn't the one who brought religion into the discussion. I've been playing Legacy before it was Legacy, and dude decides to call me out. Geez.Originally Posted by Hollywood
I'd just like to point out that wizards is doing a lot to promote legacy and vintage still. Products like the Commander and From The Vaults products along with Duel Decks are aimed directly at the average eternal player. The fact that almost 50% of the cards in FTV: Realms were unplayable in modern leads me to believe wizards has a vested interest in all of eternal. As much as they can't reprint dual lands this by no means means that wizards has abandoned every eternal format but modern, and that these formats will in any way die due to cost.
It's quite possible the only expensive cards in a deck in a few years will be a couple duals and the rest of every deck will cost peanuts.
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Fixed that for you.
EDH is eternal for a lot of people. I get that. But most of FTV realms is going to be put to better use in legacy or vintage. Another example is flusterstorm; its defiantly seeing more use in Vintage than in EDH despite originating in an EDH deck. Wizards is serious about Eternal.
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What makes me wonder is: couldn't SCG make more money switching the focus to Modern?
Modern is cheaper than Legacy.
Legacy entry barrier scares players out, so Modern might attract more people.
Bigger turnout means more money, more people buying/selling Modern cards.
???
Profit!
Now with Ravnica dual lands being on standard, T2 decks are that much closer to Modern's. I would think that a lot more T2 players would be attracted to play on the Sunday...
I bet that has been discussed more than once on SCG's boards meeting.
There are problems with this
a. SCG makes a profit in the Secondary Market, they make a good amount of money on Legacy Staples, compared to Modern Staples
b. Just because Modern is cheaper does not mean it will attract more people, remember it is still a new format and people are skeptical of playing it
c. The turnout for Legacy Opens is great, they currently host Modern side events (yet I haven't seen one fire at an SCG event)
d. As of now Legacy is a more popular format than Modern
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When SCG started Legacy wasn't all that popular. I might be wrong here but I think I remember number like 400 players for T2 and 120 for Legacy back then.
And even now, I have the impression that the T2 on Saturday always has about double the number of players than Legacy has on Sunday. Does anyone has the actual number for the latest SCG events?
If SCG decides to invest in Modern, people will play it. T2 players borrow Legacy decks and play on Sunday, only to get slaughtered because they don't know the format. Modern is much closer to T2 than to Legacy, not having to deal with Force of Will, turn 2 Emrakul and 15 year old cards sounds like an incentive for new players.
Yeah, people might be skeptical. But then they watch a Modern PT, like the one going on right now. And see the pros playing Modern, coming up with some crazy new decks. I for one was very excited when someone told me Finkel was playing some Epic Experiment deck, can't wait to see that list.
As I said SCG make less money selling Modern Staples than they do selling Legacy Staples
There aren't many "new" decks around for the Modern PT more like old decks that have been updated (and to my knowledge there is no Epic Experiment anywhere in Finkel's 75) and a lot of Jund
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There is no point pushing a format that Wizards will push for them.
Also, Modern staples cross over into Legacy and Standard.
If SCG ditches Legacy then that is a whole pool of cards that becomes harder or impossible for SCG to unload.
A new set, called Modern Masters, was just confirmed on the Wizards stream. 229 cards, all reprints, coming out in June 2013, not standard-legal, limited print run and draftable.
First reprint confirmed is Tarmogoyf.
Maybe the price for some Legacy staples is going down as well, although I doubt it.
Hopefully this releases some more Goyfs, Thoughtseizes, Cliques, etc. into circulation. Sounds like there will be no Onslaught fetches though.
Not sure what the print run will be on this (i.e. how much it can affect prices on reprinted staples).
It's called Modern Masters for a reason.
Now that's a kind of support Legacy is never getting. Instead you get limited print EDH decks that contain 1 card that becomes a staple 4-of in a bunch of decks. Good luck getting those Oozes/Flusterstorms some years from now...
Yeah but, you know, Legacy is basically Dual Lands + EDH/Moderncards + FoW/Brainstorm... so...wel all have those Forces and Duals... and Wizards keeps reprinting other Staples....that's fine isn't it?
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If Modern Masters is a success, they could easily include "new" cards into Modern by reprinting those without making them Standard-legal in Modern Masters 2.
It just feels really odd in the format for the enemy colors to have fetchlands but for the allied colors to not, though. I kind of wish the Onslaught fetches would be reprinted in a Standard-legal set so they'd be available in Modern (and cheaper for Legacy).
Granted, there's no way they'll put them in a Standard set when the shocklands are in Standard, but it would be nice to see it when they rotate out...
What exactly hinders them to make a Legacy Masters, though? There are enough cards/staples with high prices pre-8th-Edition that aren't on the Reserve List. If they can reprint a 100$ Tarmogoyf at Mythic rarity, I fail to see why they can't do the same with Karakas and the likes.
It would be interesting if somebody could compile a list with reprintable Legacy cards which aren't legal in Modern and not on the Reserve List:
http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/art.../reprintpolicy
Legacy is most likely more popular than Modern right now. Wizards would probably miss a chance to make mad cash. They could easily throw in some goodies for Modern-relevant cards as well to stretch the set and increase interest.
The "We can't reprint staples because of the Reserve List" is blatant bullshit on part of Wizards.
What hinders they is the players complaining about "shit... I just bought a playset of [insert cards here] at this price and now the price is gonna tank".
Kinda like the dilemma faced by the Modern players right now.
The future of a format all depends on the greed of its players. Players turn this hobby into a bank investment.
I am convinced that WotC is "dumbing" the game because of all the stupid posts they come across on MTG-related forums
I'm thinking that WOTC will want to focus their efforts. They could do a legacy Masters set, but some of the best cards can't be reprinted. I would be be surprised if they start to put all their eggs in the modern basket as they know they can easily support the format going forward and for the foreseeable future. Don't get me wrong, I would love more masters sets, even if my cards go down in vallue some. I would love to play more modern and more legacy.
And that kind of behaviour is unhealthy for the game as a whole.
If stuff gets too expensive, people stop playing. Best example were ultra-expensive mana bases in Standard, long long ago.
Despite the rising demand, I think the price for many staples are currently inflated due to speculation.
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