[Deck] ANT (Ad Nauseam Tendrils)

[Deviruchi]

JamieW89: I would like to read your reports very much (also about UBG version). I'm torn apart between some decks and your thoughts about +g and +w versions would be very helpful. I hope you will find some time for us ;)

[Asthereal]

Jamie has an extensive report up in Dutch here: http://benelegacy.nl/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=4543
You can Google Translate it to English and get something vaguely readable.

@Jamie: if you find the time to translate, let us know.

[rajang1991]

hi i'm an italian player :)
i play ant in a local tournament with 100 person 7 turn of swiss and top 8
the list i played is this:
2 underground sea
1 volcanic island
1 tropical island
1 island
1 swamp
4 flooded strand
4 polluted delta
4 dark ritual
4 cabal ritual
4 led
4 lotus petal
1 mox diamond
4 brainstorm
4 ponder
4 infernal tutor
1 lim dul's vault( everytime i cast this spell i win the game...it's too strong!!!)
1 sensei's divining top
1 preordain
2 duress
2 thoughthseize
3 cabal therapy
3 gitaxian probe
1 chain of vapor
1 pst in flames
1 tendrils of agony
1 ad nauseam
sideboards
3 dark confidant
3 krosan grip ( for omnitell i loose every time i play this matchup)
2 surgical extraction
2 chain of vapor
2 infest
3 empty the warrens
i do 5-1-1
i win against esper stoneblade 2 maverick 1 uw stoneblade and i win against spiral tide, i loose only from bug with deathrite shaman
the deck it's great i prefer lim dul on burning wish because with lim dul's can search what you want any time you want at istant speed and every time i cast it i win the game!! the loose against bug i's only my mistake .i loose the first game for a stupid error and in the second i open a good hand with duress swamp surgical and some other cards like brainstorm and lands.i play swamp duress and is hand it's fow spell pierce 2 daze 2 land and brainstorm :D i discard easy fow ad surgical on it and i see he side in only 3 flusterstorm ...he draw another spell pierce a vendilion 2 flusterstorm and a snapcaster...i can only loose :D
i finish 9 for rating ;) the deck it's great and the list it's solid :) try it

[Sloshthedark]

7th, 50 person tournament, 6 rounds, top 8

2 Bloodstained Mire
1 Badlands
1 Island
1 Swamp
1 Volcanic Island
2 Underground Sea
3 Scalding Tarn
4 Polluted Delta
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Lotus Petal
1 Ad Nauseam
4 Brainstorm
4 Cabal Ritual
4 Dark Ritual
2 Past in Flames
1 Tendrils of Agony
2 Burning Wish
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Duress
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Infernal Tutor
4 Ponder
1 Grim Tutor


SB: 1 Chain of Vapor
SB: 1 Echoing Truth
SB: 1 Empty the Warrens
SB: 2 Karakas
SB: 2 Extirpate
SB: 1 Pyroclasm
SB: 1 Tendrils of Agony
SB: 1 Thoughtseize
SB: 1 Abrupt Decay
SB: 1 Bayou
SB: 3 Xantid Swarm


UGR threshold 2-0, he sided out Bolts last tournament, so I bring in Xantid swarm, he laughs - envelop and multiple soft counters in hand - and dies when 14 goblins join the swarm few turns later

Burn 2-1, really close games I dont't find tutor G1 and win with 1 and 4 life G2, G3, has Mindbreak Trap instead of Pillar

UW aggro 2-1, weird rogue deck, I die to Jitte equipped Mom +daze Owl after he playes Soulbond doublestriker, I missplay T1 (should have petal BS fetch) and he wastes my only land so I'm mana/turn short to discard a Fow and kill him in the end, G2 swarm and die, G3 14 goblins T2

UGR threshold 2-0, I keep multiple lands petal ritual, he doesn't have T1 delver and dies horridly, G2 just dies T2 or 3

ID (UR Nivmagus CB)
scoop to random.dec

Top 8 - 1-2 UBG Veteran, eventual winner - G1 dies T3 after some Fow check, G2 he hesitates to keep, and plays Top off Sea, I T1 therapy and decide to check for FoW because of his hesitation and my one-of AD in hand and potent early kill, he has 2 CB and Extirpate in hand obv. but offcolor lands, finds some with Top and BS, so at 3 mana he is tapped out and has the lock, I AD eot and if I draw any manasource I kill him, which I do not and he kept second CB in hand so I keep drawing crap and die xx turns later to Clique and CB lock, G3 T1 I can duress off petal and can attempt T2 kill but pass instead, he playes Sea and passes, in my turn I BS, duress which gets flusterstormed and decide to go for the kill off petal, he Fows for Fow my Infernal Tutor and Extirpates it in his turn which I cannot recover from... sad ending but still I think my decisions were right, my next matches would have been the Canadian player that sided out Bolts and Bant in the finals =/

haven't cast Ad Nauseam in the tournament, Swarm MVP, kind of missed Dark Confidant in the last match, happy with the list except 2nd Abrupt decay should squeeze in somehow

[Tammit67]

Ad nauseum with 2 Past in flames, tendrils and grim tutor sounds rough. Better have 2 mana floating, eh?

[Sloshthedark]

Ad nauseum with 2 Past in flames, tendrils and grim tutor sounds rough. Better have 2 mana floating, eh?

depends... good to know LED, LED, Pif is usually enough, it's roughly the same as 2nd Grim but you just don't play the unless you have to, so - land, petal, Infernal, 2x LED opener goes BW->EtW obv. even with DR I would go for Goblins unless against other combo, G2 the 2nd Pif are usually EtW... the deck is PiF deck, not AdN anymore, kill through PiF most time and most T1 kills feature PiF in hand, and makes sure you win G1 with Thresh and heavy control

[ponder]

I won my qualifier and the gp Chicago legacy finals with UBrg ant il post my list later

[ponder]

4 delta
4 misty
1 bloodstained mire
3 underground
1 bayou
1 volcanic
1 swamp
1 island
4 probe
4 ponder
4 brainstorm
4 dark ritual
4 cabal ritual
4 lotus petal
4 lions eye diamond
4 duress
3 therapy
4 infernal tutor
2 grim tutor
1 past in flames
1 ad nauseam
1 tendrils of agony
Sb
4 dread of night
3 thoughtseize
3 abrupt decay
2 chain of vapor
1 echoing truth
1 ad nauseam
1 tropical island

Nothing extraordinary happened. The one match I lost was in the first round of the qualifier to dredge... He out raced me. I drew with mud and agreed to a prize split in the finals. We were the last two undefeateds and my gwp was higher so I got the win. Overall the deck felt great 9-1-1 on the weekend. Playing a win-a-mox Saturday with it.

[SaberTooth]

why there is a second nauseam in that list??

[ac3eb]

I was also wondering about the 2nd ad nauseam, and how do you board the thoughtseizes off the board? Do you replace cabal therapies or do you really want 10 discard spells g2-3 against certain decks??

[aaronm678]

I was also wondering about the 2nd ad nauseam, and how do you board the thoughtseizes off the board? Do you replace cabal therapies or do you really want 10 discard spells g2-3 against certain decks??

2nd Ad Naus is pretty sweet against decks you just want to flat race. I in most metas it makes sense to have 1 card like that in the board (Whether IGG or Ad Naus, I've tried both and like both).

[SaberTooth]

my opinion: Change the second nauseam for an ill-gotten, i mean with 2 grims ad nauseam can be very painful, but i never played that list, so i could be wrong

[Pelikanudo]

@Emidlin:
@Koby:

Regarding this:
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...l=1#post678768

I've been testing the list and I've been thinking in SAndTell , Reanimator and BUG Strategies also,

I think this will be:
Reanimator:
+1 Duress
+3 Karakas
=
-4 gitaxian

SAndTell:
+1 Duress
+3 Karakas
=
-4 gitaxian

BUG Control: (Jaceliliana No Tarmo)
Maybe same as RUG?

BUG Tempo: (Tarmo Deathrite lately)
Maybe same as RUG?

- I don't think the second Tendrils base could be useful with Reanimator and SaTell
- The gitaxian I think is the card to take out on these match ups but really not sure, I just don't think -1 Grim could be a good idea and decreasing the Threat count. Maybe taking -2snaps as seems a slow card agains them leaving 2 gitaxian.
- The reality is that gitaxian seems to shine in these match ups so I don't think what to take, same is applicable to BUG.

Please give me your advice.

[ponder]

@ac3eb
ad naus comes in against any deck that might be faster than you or any deck with discard. Maximizing "bomb" spells is important. I played the IGGY in the board for awhile and I decided it wasn't awesome enough to stay. The 3 thoughtseizes come in vs many decks: rug blade maverick deadguy ale high tide..... The probes come out first usually.

[mike1987]

Hey guys I was wondering if it is really that important to invest in grim tutor. I was playing a small tourney last night and I realised after my infernal tutors got extracted then that's when a burning wish can find a grim tutor into past in flames. Why not just put a single past in flames in the sideboard as well? I am sure there are other applications for grim tutor but I can't seem to think of any.

[Rekk]

Hey guys I was wondering if it is really that important to invest in grim tutor. I was playing a small tourney last night and I realised after my infernal tutors got extracted then that's when a burning wish can find a grim tutor into past in flames. Why not just put a single past in flames in the sideboard as well? I am sure there are other applications for grim tutor but I can't seem to think of any.

most people do run a pif or iggy in the board, did you not have any burning wish engines?

[Kl'rt]

Hey guys I was wondering if it is really that important to invest in grim tutor. I was playing a small tourney last night and I realised after my infernal tutors got extracted then that's when a burning wish can find a grim tutor into past in flames. Why not just put a single past in flames in the sideboard as well? I am sure there are other applications for grim tutor but I can't seem to think of any.

Since Burning Wish is removed from the game after resolving, it can't be recurred with Past in Flames (or IGG). Grim Tutor however, can be recurred with PiF or IGG.

With all your Infernal Tutors extracted and the Burning Wish you used removed from the game, it may be difficult to find something to get your Tendrils after a PiF or IGG.


Cheers

[ponder]

http://www.eternal-central.com/?p=3216
Timo makes a good point about tutor may help

[mike1987]

most people do run a pif or iggy in the board, did you not have any burning wish engines?

I do have igg in the side but no pif.


Thanks for the replies guys, I think i might really be sinking in the buy the grim tutor. yea i totally agree having a grim tutor to flashback after past in flames is so important if infernal tutor is being extracted.

[aaronm678]

my opinion: Change the second nauseam for an ill-gotten, i mean with 2 grims ad nauseam can be very painful, but i never played that list, so i could be wrong

When I ran the 2nd Ad Naus in the board, I tended to board out the 2nd Grim Tutor as well, and board down to 15 lands.