Good point about cradle, i will have to try that out.Originally Posted by door
Thorn is 4th thalia in the board, except the hopes are it can give me the rare chance at a double "tax"
61st first card for me is always maze of ith, feels like a waste in the board, but dont always like having it main, so I just make it #61
Not good enough for mainboard 60, not good enough for sideboard, so you just add it as 61st mainboard card? Not that I have much against 61 cards in a deck with three dominant tutor effects, but your reasoning here seems a bit iffy.
As i promise here goes the report of the champ (sorry for the late but i am short on time this days):
I apologize for all the language mistakes like i said before write in other languages is a little hard.
I may have confused some games, have a good memory and note things but some games i just presume what happens.
First of all i decided to play Maverick because i still think that the deck have a lot to give in the field, and in my tests all the games that i lost are because of misplays so i trained a lot and go to the champ well prepared.
The first game was against RUG:
Match 1
He starts, fetches for tropical and ponders i fetch for forest and play noble that is dazed, he play a delver I play a ooze he flips his Delver (bolt), kill my creature and cast Nimble and pass i cast a Qasali and pass he cast a goyf and attacks I plow his goyf on his turn cast a jitte on mine and go slowly for victory.
Match 2
I side in 3 Surgical extraction 1 tracker and side out a Sword of light and shadow 2 Qasalis and a Stoneforge.
That was really fast he starts tropical island and Nimble, in my turn i waste his tropical and extraction his land (hit other on hand) in his turn he plays a fetch but without green manas is to hard for him, and win pretty easy.
The game against RUG is kind of simple, just pay attention to his forked bolts and the rest shouldn’t be a huge problem, the Wasteland + Surgical trick stole for me so many games…
Game 2 Show and Tell (omniscience)
It was a match that i play a lot so i go for the game completely confident the secret here is not enter in panic is a hard match but not impossible.
Match 1
I start with mother, he island and ponders, i cast a scryb ranger attack for 1 with mother, he lands a City of Traitors, pass i Zenith for Teeg and hit two, he Intuition on pass grabbing a omniscience show and tell on his turn I show a Sigarda (lucky i know) he omniscience Emrakul and Grisel, play another turn takes 7 drawing his shits and attacks with both, i take 15 from Emrakul, untap my mother with scryb pro my Sigarda and blocks, he pass i attack with everybody unless mother and untaps my scryb he attacks on his turn i untap Sigarda block Grisel with pro and block Emrakul with Scryb. On my turn i attack for victory.
Match 2
I side in 3 Surgical Extraction, 2 Teegs, 3 Ethersworn and 3 Oblivion Ring 1 Crop Rotation and take of 12 irrelevant cards.
This game was i mull to 5 and keep a hand with 1 Savannah, 1 Oblivion , 1 Waste, a Zenith and a noble, he sow and tell on turn two and i exile his omniscience with a Oblivion, i Zenith for 2 bringing the Teeg, and he show and tells again on turn 3 For Emrakul and i was history.
Match 3
I start with Zenith for dryad, playing a knight who gets countered he lands a Ancient Tomb, i cast a Library he intuition for show and tell on pass i extract his show and tell and he never come back to game.
2-1
Game 3 BUG
Play tight and take your time enjoying it, this game is really fun.
Match 1
I start with mother he Fetches for underground and cast a Shaman, i proceed with a noble and a plowshares on his elf, he brainstorms crack a fetch and cast another shaman, i Zenith for 2 bringing in a ooze and waste one of his lands on his turn he cast a shardless agent revealing a Baleful Strix and drawing a card, i play another land Zenith for Safekeeper attack with ooze and start to eat his graveyard, he respond fire casting another Baleful Strix, and attacking i keep attacking with ooze and sometimes i cast a scryb ranger blocking one of his birds, i try to connect a jitte but he Abrupt decays it i plow his shaman and cast a knight, he shardless for a ancestral vision i bring a Wasteland with knight (twice because of scryb) loam for more one waste cast Terravore and he scoops .
Match 2
I side in 1 Tracker, 1 Witness and 1 Bojuka takes of 1 Teeg and 2 Qasali.
He stars with shaman i noble, he brainstorms and lands a fetch, i play Mother and Safekeeper and he draws crack a fetch and cast a Engineered plague and waste my savannah, i keep playing but the plague punishing me so hard (if i had a Qasali on deck i think i could win that).
Match 3
I return a Qasali to main and cut a Noble.
I start with mother, he plays a land and pass (had mull to 6), i cast a Library, he decays it i Zenith for Ooze he play another land and one blind shardless agent hitting Hymn to tourach (don’t remember what i discard i think it was a land and a creature), i play a Tracker eat one creature to get my ooze bigger and attack, he cast a strix and suspends a ancestral vision, i plow his bird fight his agent and keep hitting him, he cast a pernicious deed With only one mana left, i Zenith for Qasali and attack i sac the cat he respond sacrificing his deed he doest nothing on his turn, i attack with ooze he decays it so i land a fetch and cast a sword of light and shadow he plays a Jace, jacestorm and pass i crack a fetch for arbor equip the sword and kill his Jace, he resolves the ancestral vision plays a goyf and a strix i draw a Terravore and play it equipped with a sword, he cast the plague for humans on my turn i Zenith for 3 catch a witness plow his goyf and attack to victory.
Game 4 Goblins
Look out for turn 1 lackey and put on your mind that this deck can kill you in a blink of an eye so no suicide attacks.
Match 1
He starts with the lackey i don’t have the plowshares and he finishes me
Match 2
Side in 1 Tracker, 1 Witness and 1 Ethersworn, side out 1 Qasali, 1 Loam and 1 Teeg
I start With mother on first turn, he plays the vial, i play a noble and other mother on turn two , he puts a counter on vial and port my land, I play a knight turn 3 (drawing a gaea’s cradle), he matrons a ringleader, i followed with a Zenith for scryb on turn 4 and pro my knight and put a clock of four turns he finds nothing of relevant and i win that.
Match 3
He starts with a lackey, i have plowshares this time, he plays a cavern of souls and pass, I waste his cavern and pass he stuck with one land and i have time to play a ooze, a Stoneforge for jitte, a noble equip jitte and hit twice after that he scoops.
Game 5 Reanimator
The karakas is your best friend here.
Match 1
He starts with a brainstorm i with a noble, he plays a fetch and pass i play a knight who gets countered, he entombs for Iona, and reanimes it, I miracle a Karakas and play a ooze that is not countered and he could do much more.
Match 2
Side in 3 Extraction, 1 Bojuka, 1 Crop Rotation 1 Witness and 2 O rings, side out 1 Qasali, 2 Stoneforge, 2 jitte, 1 Loam, 1 Sigarda and 1 Safekeeper.
I mull to 5 he to 6 he lands a fetch and pass, I do the same, he lands a island brainstorm and pass, i land a savannah and pass, he entombs a Grisel and try to reanimate that but I crop for Bojuka, followed by a knight on my turn he finds nothing more and i go for a honorable 5-0.
Game 6 Jund
In this game you want a mother or Safekeeper + a big creature
I ask if he wants to play or draw, he say something about the stands of him teammates, and we go for the game.
Match 1
I start with mother he lands a Grove of the Burnwillows and shaman I plow his shaman and waste his grove, he lands a fetch and pass, I play a library, he goes to Dark Confident, i take 4 damage with library (taking a cradle and a jitte) hit and kill his confident he stuck with two lands (Wasteland and a fetch) and that’s game.
Match 2
Side in 3 Extraction, 1 Tracker, 1 Witness, side out 2 Qasali, 2 Stoneforge, 1 noble.
He starts with a seize taking of my mother, i play a noble and pass, he punishing my creature (I think it was a mistake of him because he sees the Surgical extraction on my hand) I extract his fires (don’t remember what he reveals to me, there’s no decays on his hands and one Liliana I guess), I play a sword of light and shadow, and he plays a Liliana discard one card of our hands, i do nothing, he activate the Liliana again I discard and he followed by a tourach to finish business but I flash a scryb, in response and in my turn I hit him, returns a mother, plays it and a fetch that I draw on the turn, he bolts my mother and remove two counters of Liliana but I fetch a dryad arbor in response sacrificing it, and I think on next turn I play a Terravore from hand followed by a mother of light and shadow and finish in first.
Top 8
Game 1: UW miracles.
Match 1
This game was long, so I will not enter in details I remember only that I put him to 1 life and could not take that life so he wins a stressing one.
Match 2
Side in 2 Teegs, 3 Extraction, 1 Eternal witness 3 oblivion ring, side out 4 plowshares, 1 ooze, 2 jitte and 2 Stoneforge.
I keep a hand with a mother a Teeg and a Zenith (all that I want to win this game), I start with noble he lands a fetch and pass I keep playing spells that get countered or removed and when I reach 4 lands I Zenith for 1 grabbing a Safekeeper and play the Teeg, we go for my two turns and he scoops.
Match 3
He stars with a sensei and I with Zenith for 0, he looks his top and pass I go for creatures and starts to attack trying to rush him, sometime he plays a counterbalance and in a crucial moment I attack with all my creatures he looks his top and taps the sensei to draw (terminus of course) and in response i extract one of his plows of graveyard he looks again find nothing of one and extraction resolves i remove the spells (he doesn’t have any removals left) he shuffles look the top again finds no miracles, takes the damage in a couple of turns i Zenith for a Teeg he finds no top 3 and its game.
Game 2: Show and tell.
Again playing this game, but it’s a different opponent.
Match 1
He goes for turn two show and tell, revealing a Emrakul and i a knight that finds a karakas on my turn and bounces his creature, i win this easy like that.
Match 2
Like in the other game i side in 3 Surgical Extraction, 2 Teegs, 3 Ethersworn and 3 Oblivion Ring 1 Crop Rotation and take of 12 irrelevant cards.
He goes for show and tell on turn 2 (again) i show a knight (again) but he shows omniscience burning wishes the petals of insight and go for combo.
Match 3
I start with noble he ponders i play a knight he counters it, I play a Qasali and keep beating him i don’t find nothing and keep attacking he cast like a zillion of brainstorms and ponders, i draw a Stoneforge but decided to not playing it (you will understand why) he intuition for omniscience, show and tell on his turn bringing the enchantment and I a Stoneforge the ability of Stoneforge goes to stack and in response I sac Qasali to destroy his omniscience he calls the judge’s ask about some rules and in a couple of turns the victory is mine.
Game 3: BUG
The finals were disappointed to me since i expected a exciting game but my opponent does practically nothing on game 1.
Match 1
He mulls to 5 and I start with Noble he lands a underground sea and brainstorm i waste his sea and play a libray, he plays another sea and a shaman who gets “plowshered” and his sea “wasteled” he does nothing more in this game.
Match 2
I side in 1 Tracker, 1 Witness and 1 Bojuka takes of 1 Teeg and 1 Qasali and 1 Noble.
We keep our hands without mulligan, he play a bayou and shaman, i play Savannah and mother, he plays strix and pass, I play a tracker and a library (gaea’s help) and pass, he play a shardless into brainstorm attacks for 1 and pass, I play a Qasali and fight his shaman, he cracks a fetch decays my library cast goyf and pass, I tap a fetch cast the Knight and fight his shardless. He plays a confident and pass, I Zenith for scryb fight his strix and confident and attack with knight, we keep like this and in a few turns he had no creatures and some cards on hand (discards he shows to me after the end of game), and calmly goes for victory.
Sigarda is great better than Thrun.
The stoneforges don't do much on tournament, but a Sword of Light and Shadow on Teeg on miracles match is so beautifull.
I see a High tide and a Belcher, my friend faces a tendrllis combo but no one made the top 8s.
Seeing now my report became longer than i wish, i say sorry for that.
Just a personal preference really. There is no scientific logic behind it.
Well done!
Can you elaborate on why you like Sigarda more than Thrun?
I know she's bigger and flies, but is harder to GSZ for, doesn't regenerate, and is much worse hardcasting when you draw her.
Thanks!
Thrun is a good card, but the angel is much more usefull than the troll, and is no "much worse of hardcasting" is only worse. The Thrun is faster than sigarda but in my games he's only a wall to block goyfs and the Sigarda is a pretty decent finisher. I think that Thrun is better against UW and RUG, but the Sigarda rules in all other matchs that creatures makes diference.
And think with me, in major situations (this phrase is correct?) that you can zenith for 4, is not better search for 3 and brings the knigth or Terravore? The Maverick don't need the Thrun, but the Sigarda can make the diference.
Of course that is my opinion, and i'm far away to be a pro.
So I've been play testing a unconventional version of maverick, tweaking it for the last 6 months..
Maverick G/W/b *
24 Creatures
4 Deathrite Shaman*
4 Mother of Runes
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Mirran Crusader
2 Scavenging Ooze
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Ethersworn Cannonist
8 Instants:
4 Abrupt Decay
4 Worldly Tutor
2 Artifacts:
2 Umezawa's Jitte
2 Enchantments:
1 Sylvan Library
1 Bitterblossom
1 Planeswalkers:
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
23 Lands
3 Savannah
2 Bayou
2 Wasteland
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Windswept Heath
2 Cavern of Souls*
1 Plains
1 Forest*
1 Bojuka Bog
3 Horizon Canopy*
1 Maze of Ith*
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Karakas
Sideboard:
4 Swords to Plowshares
2 Leyline of Sanctity
3 Oblivion Ring
2 Crop Rotation
3 Lingering Souls
1 Sorin, Lord of Innastrad
Just ignore Wordly Tutor, Green Sun Zenith is obviously a better card (I just tutor for Mother of Runes, Thalia, and Mirran Crusader at the end of my opponents turn so much that I keep it in..)
So black is to replace Swords to Plowshares with Adrupt Decay and Noble Heirarch with Deathrite Shaman
I need to get 2 more Leyline of Sanctity for my Sideboard
Tell me what you think please
Tournament report- march NELC
Main Deck
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
1 Umezawa's Jitte
4 Mother of Runes
2 Mirran Crusaders
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Knight of the Reliquary
2 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Aven Mindcensor
3 Thalia
1 Thrun
2 Qausali Pridmage
3 Greensun
1 Teeg
1 Garuuk Relentless
2 Sylvan library
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Horizon Canopy
3 Savannah
4 Windswept heath
1 dryad arbor
1 Gaea's Cradle
1 Karakas
2 Forest
1 Plains
3 Wasteland
1 Maze of Ith
2 Verdant Catacombs
1 Bayou
2 Cavern of Souls
Side Board
2 Armageddon
2 surgical extraction
2 engineered plague
2 oblivion ring
2 ethersworn cannonist
1 bojuka bog
1 path to exile
1 aven midcensor
1 gaddock teeg
1 sylvan safekeeper
Some immediate thoughts about the list after the tournament:
Aven midcensor is not a good one-of. Think i either need to run none or two? Prolly gonna add one more to the main deck.
Stoneforge mystic is not as great as i thought. I met another maverick player who explained that he felt like he never wanted to play stoneforge on turn two because it was almost a waste of a turn. After alot of thinking I agree that it is not pro-active enough for the deck. I think i may cut one from the main deck for the above aven mind-censor. The reason i would only cut one is because i still want a way to get my sword of light and shadow. I will honestly say stoneforge is much better to play in the later game. i wouldn't mind drawing it as a top deck.
Sylvan Safekeeper will prolly come out of the sideboard. the match ups i'd like to side this in against, dont give me the liberties of having excess lands (if that made any sense?) basically, Mother of Runes is way better in those match ups, even though Safekeeper is green sun-able.
Garruuk relentless still not sure about this guy. he is good against stoneblade
Round 1
Reanimator
Some how I end up playing against my friends Frank, who I came to Jupiter with in round 1. :/
Game 1- He reanimates Elishnorn, and wipes my entire board. I cant find a swords to plowshares, or a karakas.
Game 2- I draw a hand with Thalia and karakas, can't get much luckier than that. My opponent doesn't have the best luck with his draws. Im sorry Frank.
Game 3- I draw another hand with Karakas. Guess i kind of luck sacked that one.
thoughts: Not sure if this is a bad match up. I get to bring in surgicals, and a bojuka bog. thalia also does work.
1-0
Round 2
MUD, piloted by Adam. let me just start by saying i HAVE never played against MUD. So, this was a learning experience. Mom is horrible in this match up. Also they run Blood Moon.
Game 1- I loose to wurmcoil engine. the end.
Game 2- He plays a blood moon, I m pretty sure i threw a jitte on a thalia and just kept bashing him. drew my one of plains, and got to path one of his guys.
Game 3- very grindy match. steel hellkite wipes my board every turn it swings. i can't find a removal spell
1-1
Round 3
Eli Assai? Eli something, playing what he described as on of the two most expensive decks in the room. The other one belonging to bryant cook, who I happened to be sitting next to. Although miscut tundras are not the important part of this report though. The important part is that he utterly crushed me. U/W stoneblade, i thought this was an OK match up. He ended up wastelanding me out of the game. Somehow? IDK? He ran Supreme Verdict main deck. I lost . Horribly. that is all.
1-2
Round 4
Not feeling great at this point. Next round i play against Tyler- who is also playin Maverick. Believe it or not, I have never played the mirror match before- to be honest I didn't think anyone else was playing Maverick these days. I've learned some very important things. Mother of Runes is the key. Elspeth wrecks face.
game 1- I literally threw the game away. Had a wasteland out and didn't wastland his maze of ith- like a goddamn moron. to swing for the win. bleh. epic misplay.
game 2- he get an elsepth, we wasteland each other. he plays sigartha, who flies and is a beast. She not-so-slowly beats my life total Not sure if i like her in Maverick though.... She is five mana...I could play an espeth for that much mana. Doesnt escape board-wipe effects.
Anyway I lost :/ pushing me to 3-1....now, any normal person would have dropped at this point, but that ain't me so this report continues on.
Round 5
Scapeshift Nic Fit, piloted by my friend Devin- who I also came to Jupiter with. .. XD At this point I'm not playing for anything so its just nice to see a friendly face.
Game 1- I dont remember what happens here? Seriously i have no recollection of this game.
Game 2- I bring in Armageddon, thinking it will be good. I Armageddon him, with a thalia out. somehow he recovers?!? in the less than 5 turns it would take me to kill him. plays a huntmaster. i eat poop. and loose. curse you devin!!!
Game 3- I land a turn 3 mirran crusader, followed by a turn 4 jitte, equip, swing. He scoops.
3-2
Round 6
I play against Burn. (Sorry i can't seem to remember your name)
Game 1- I didn't think Thalia would be good in this match up but apparently it does work. I race him with damage and win. Mother of Runes is also great.
Game 2- I really shouldn't have won this game. The game ended with him having four land on the field and five cards in hand. unfortunately he drew 3 fireblasts and 2 smash to smithereens (I didnt play the jitte i searched up with stoneforge because i figured he might run them) before He could fireblast i had gained life putting me to nine instead of eight.
3-3
It was only a 6 round tournament. Pretty short for Jupiter, but it was still good :)
Comments? Suggestions?
Yeah in Maverick, the only time I like 1-ofs are with either lands (tutorable by Knight) or green creatures (tutorable by GSZ).
With no real library manipulation, you're not going to be able to reliably find something like a 1-of Aven Mindcensor.
I'd also go back to the 4 full GSZ - that card is too good in Maverick.
@ BLack
First off im Tyler *waves*
So how do you feel about light and shadow and why not double jitte or jitte fire and ice ??
thanks for the advice, tried the Cradle(pulled the second canopy) and have liked how it plays. Allows for the Thrun I put in replacing the throrn to be GSZ for nicely even with a Thalia out. Tested the list thoroughly and feel very prepared for Sunday...
than I'll be cheering for you =)
I don't like Thrun in maverick though. But I guess it's late to change something. At least you tested it and feel good.
Nothing is true, everything is permitted...
I've been toying arround with different Maverick lists, but I always go back to the good old standard. It seems pretty powerful, with the right sideboard.
This is my latest:
Lands [23]
4 Savannah
4 Wasteland
4 Windswept Heath
2 Cavern of Souls
2 Forest
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Plains
1 Karakas
1 Maze of Ith
1 Gaea's Cradle
1 Karakas
Creatures [25]
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Mother of Runes
3 Noble Hierarch
3 Qasali Pridemage
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Scavenging Ooze
2 Scryb Ranger
1 Birds of Paradise
1 Sylvan Safekeeper
1 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Gaddock Teeg
Spells [12]
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Sylvan Library
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
Sideboard [15]
3 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Gaddock Teeg
2 Krosan Grip
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Path to Exile
2 Wilt-Leaf Liege
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Umezawa's Jitte
This list seems very good against anything that's not Show and Tell. With that much hate post-board, storm gets a lot better. Deathrite Shaman decks are good matchups, and Stoneblade is good if they don't run Rest in Peace.
Any comments or suggestions?
Let your Dredge 6 be: Narco, Narco, Narco, Bridge, Bridge, Dread Return
No offense, but I think you have to consider show & tell a little bit when your making your lists (unless it's simply not present in your meta...in which case, where do you live and how far is it from me :D)
That aside, the birds of paradise and 2nd scryb ranger stick out , is the birds to simply get a sword through..and what's the second ranger for?
The birds is to carry the sword, but I might switch back to Noble. I like 2 Scryb Rangers, I don't always like to spend a GSZ to fetch it. It also has Flash, which makes playing it from your hand much more valuable.
Let your Dredge 6 be: Narco, Narco, Narco, Bridge, Bridge, Dread Return
No Dryad Arbor?
Forgot it, it's supposed to be there.
Let your Dredge 6 be: Narco, Narco, Narco, Bridge, Bridge, Dread Return
Even G1, I think you're alright against Show & Tell. Thalia slows down their cantripping and bombs and the Omniscience kill. Simply holding a Knight in your hand makes it very difficult for them to safely Show & Tell since they have to drop Sneak Attack+Emrakul or Omniscience to get around it.
I'd personally cut the 1-of SFM for something else since you can't regularly find it anyways. Maybe a Thrun or Sigarda to GSZ for.
@Vandalize's list: Going -2 Krosan Grip, +2 Oblivion Ring would already improve the Show&Tell matchup without really messing up the others that much. Perhaps that's a good change to make.
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