Time to quit Magic?

[Humphrey]

With the actual announcement of predator slivers I really asked myself. Is this still the game I enjoyed over the last 17 years? Actually I dont remember anything "cool" WotC pulled of. Instead my head is full of stupid changes Maro and his company executed.

It all starts with the border change, but then

-mythics
-planeswalker
-planeswalker points
-no player rewards
-tighten the reserved list
-wasted ftv boxes
-uninspired editions
-powercreep
-boring designs
-blue Snapcaster/Delver/Everything
-LaPille
-Maro

Seriously. What was the last awesome thing about wotc/magic you remember?

(Yep its whine, but maybe Im just getting to old for this game)

[walker]

Yeah quit.

[socialite]

It's a core set, this is essentially bitching about a new Tonka Truck line while owning a collection of actual monster trucks.

[Lt. Quattro]

Wait until from the vaults 20 is spoiled.

[Mr.C]

I've pretty much quit. I'll come back if/when Underground Seas and Legacy staples are at a reasonable price again.

[Tha Gunslinga]

Seriously. What was the last awesome thing about wotc/magic you remember?

Snapcaster Mage. Holy fuck is that guy fun.

[Humphrey]

Snapcaster Mage. Holy fuck is that guy fun.

When i hear Snapcaster, my association is: What the fuck, why isnt this guy red.

But thanks for mentioning...

[beastman]

What the hell is a predator sliver?

[(nameless one)]

What the hell is a predator sliver?

Slivers that look more like people and not slivers.

[Lemnear]

Slivers that look more like an Alien vs. Predator parody and not slivers.

Fixed

[baghdadbob]

I own one real deck i.r.l. but play a bunch of decks online on the free websites that still exist. I refuse to actually invest money into another legacy deck, but will spend money on singletons to keep my deck up to date. I refuse to give money to Hasbro particularly through mtgo, they are a bunch of money grubbing scam artists. 120$ for a slightly played Jace? You gotta be kidding me. You have to be able to separate the idea of a piece of cardboard from something that will pay the rent. I have given the company thousands and thousands of dollars in the past and that is enough. That should be enough money for an entire lifetime of entertainment. If Hasbro gets rid of all the free magic sites then I WILL sell my deck and quit completely. I can't imagine what kind of moron invests money in an online deck (sorry guys) the abstraction is just too much for me to comprehend. In my opinion Hasbro is an evil corporation that has seemingly stopped caring about appearances in exchange for every last penny they can get from every gamers pocket. Fuck em'. I hope someone from the company is reading this. If you want my respect back then you have to drop your lawsuits with people like Cockatrice, get rid of the reserved list, reprint duals and p9, BRING BACK PLAYER REWARDS IN A BIG WAY, and start investing into ALL formats. With little to none of your massive amounts of money you could reinvigorate and reinveste in the future of the company. STOP TRYING TO GRAB EVERY LAST DIME AND MAKE YOUR COMPANY SOMETHING WORTH PURCHASING!!!

Also o.p. I wouldn't blame you for quitting, because I don't think any of this shit will change.

[danyul]

Uh. Ok.

First of all, buying a Jace, at any price, wouldn't affect Hasbro one bit. They already made their money off of those Worldwake packs. You are just giving money to some dealer or shop or something when you buy a Jace. Preferably a shop since they provide places to play and keep the game growing and all that.

Second of all, Hasbro or WOTC or whichever entity you are raging at, would never do one, let alone all, of the crazy things you mentioned. They are getting by just fine without having to bend over backwards to please some fringe playerbase demanding not X, not Y, not Z, but the whole goddamn alphabet.

And thirdly, people play Magic Online because that's where the players are. If you like to play sealed and standard and all that shiz, MODO is a godsend. You can always get a game or draft going and, assuming you play often enough, I've been told that gathering up a set to redeem - into real cards - isn't some traumatic event.

It seems like some of you A) actively hate Magic, and B) don't feel like spending any money on this collectible (read: sometimes expensive) game.

You are Legacy players. You are the yacht-piloting, blinged-out, elite echelon of Magical card slingers. That comes with a clear cost. This is the most expensive *real* format (Vintage isn't a thing anymore, right?). If you want to play something cheaper, go try Standard. Or Pokemon. Or YuGiOh. Those will still cost you money though. Will you complain about those too?

Or you could just build a budget deck and enjoy the game for what it is. I have seen plenty of players like that and they seem to have a grand ol' time. And guess what? They have fun RIGHT ALONGSIDE all the players rocking Underground Seas and Jaces and whatnot.

Jesus where is this coming from? Why am I still typing? I don't actually care if you quit. Sell your duals and let somebody who actually likes Magic pick them up and PLAY A GAME with them.

[baghdadbob]

You are probably right about the dealer and the limited/draft part of your argument so I wont try to rebuttal that (cube draft i.m.o. is the only reason to own mtgo and even then it is still not good enough a reason). I do mostly play kitchen table stuff so I know where you are coming from. However there is no reason that magic cards should cost as much as they do and wizards could alleviate alot of the strife by reprinting cards that have no right to cost a thousand dollars. As far as hating magic your dead wrong there I just think it's bullshit to charge huge amounts of money for a piece of cardboard. And as far as selling my duals, I don't own 'em because I play mud.

P.S. The new sliver/humanoids are dumb sauce and Gatecrash is poop.

[danyul]

I hear you on that. I'm poor as shit. I understand. But those cards are expensive precisely because other people love this game too. They just love it a little more than you if we are measuring by the only metric that seems to matter in this game, or life, or whatever - money. You don't love Jace at the $120 dollar level. And that's perfectly okay. But Jace IS. And Jace will continue to BE, regardless of how much you love him. And Richy Rich across the way loves Jace at the $150 dollar level. And Jace is a fucking whore. Jace goes where the most money is. If anything, you should be mad at Richy Rich and Jace, because their mutual sluttishness has kept dearest Jace from your loving arms.

[baghdadbob]

lol Okay I feel you on that. Well played sir.

[Purgatory]

I hear you on that. I'm poor as shit. I understand. But those cards are expensive precisely because other people love this game too. They just love it a little more than you if we are measuring by the only metric that seems to matter in this game, or life, or whatever - money. You don't love Jace at the $120 dollar level. And that's perfectly okay. But Jace IS. And Jace will continue to BE, regardless of how much you love him. And Richy Rich across the way loves Jace at the $150 dollar level. And Jace is a fucking whore. Jace goes where the most money is. If anything, you should be mad at Richy Rich and Jace, because their mutual sluttishness has kept dearest Jace from your loving arms.

That was fantastic. Thanks a lot for the early morning laugh.

[Lt. Quattro]

Uh. Ok.

First of all, buying a Jace, at any price, wouldn't affect Hasbro one bit. They already made their money off of those Worldwake packs. You are just giving money to some dealer or shop or something when you buy a Jace. Preferably a shop since they provide places to play and keep the game growing and all that.

Second of all, Hasbro or WOTC or whichever entity you are raging at, would never do one, let alone all, of the crazy things you mentioned. They are getting by just fine without having to bend over backwards to please some fringe playerbase demanding not X, not Y, not Z, but the whole goddamn alphabet.

And thirdly, people play Magic Online because that's where the players are. If you like to play sealed and standard and all that shiz, MODO is a godsend. You can always get a game or draft going and, assuming you play often enough, I've been told that gathering up a set to redeem - into real cards - isn't some traumatic event.

It seems like some of you A) actively hate Magic, and B) don't feel like spending any money on this collectible (read: sometimes expensive) game.

You are Legacy players. You are the yacht-piloting, blinged-out, elite echelon of Magical card slingers. That comes with a clear cost. This is the most expensive *real* format (Vintage isn't a thing anymore, right?). If you want to play something cheaper, go try Standard. Or Pokemon. Or YuGiOh. Those will still cost you money though. Will you complain about those too?

Or you could just build a budget deck and enjoy the game for what it is. I have seen plenty of players like that and they seem to have a grand ol' time. And guess what? They have fun RIGHT ALONGSIDE all the players rocking Underground Seas and Jaces and whatnot.

Jesus where is this coming from? Why am I still typing? I don't actually care if you quit. Sell your duals and let somebody who actually likes Magic pick them up and PLAY A GAME with them.

I don't know about everyone here, but this describes me to a T.

[Lemnear]

I don't know about everyone here, but this describes me to a T.

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[Hof]

With the actual announcement of predator slivers I really asked myself. Is this still the game I enjoyed over the last 17 years?

Yes and no. It is the same game, but different. I am inclined to agree that many changes have not been for the better. People change, too. I know I have changed. Moments like when I saw Force of Nature for the first time 100 years ago are not coming back. The thrill of opening a booster is certainly never coming back. Most of all that excitement is gone. It also has to do with growing up. Growing up and getting older sucks that way. Maybe some kid will crack open an M14 booster and be super excited about those new Slivers. Maybe they will keep the memory of that moment their whole life. I don't know. They are not Slivers to me. If Slivers become playable in Legacy, I will play them again. I love Slivers. That new vigilance Sliver seems strong. I have become cold and calculating. 99% of new cards are garbage. Cards designed for formats that I don't play and that are destined to rotate out to make way for new slightly different cards and keep the cash flowing into the company. What a ripoff. I don't want to be part of that.
So why do I keep playing? Because Magic is still the best strategy game that I know. I love Legacy format and I am addicted to deck building. Less than 1% of new cards have potential in Legacy. I wouldn't want it any other way. Time to quit Magic? If you enjoy Legacy half as much as I do, no why should you quit. It is a true Eternal format and largely unaffected by the influx of dumb, new cards. Don't worry about the new cards. Ask yourself if you enjoy the game.

[Esper3k]

You are probably right about the dealer and the limited/draft part of your argument so I wont try to rebuttal that (cube draft i.m.o. is the only reason to own mtgo and even then it is still not good enough a reason). I do mostly play kitchen table stuff so I know where you are coming from. However there is no reason that magic cards should cost as much as they do and wizards could alleviate alot of the strife by reprinting cards that have no right to cost a thousand dollars. As far as hating magic your dead wrong there I just think it's bullshit to charge huge amounts of money for a piece of cardboard. And as far as selling my duals, I don't own 'em because I play mud.

P.S. The new sliver/humanoids are dumb sauce and Gatecrash is poop.

Yeah you can't blame stores for selling cards at the prices they do. If people are willing to pay those prices, then it's bad business for stores NOT to sell at what they can get at.