I'll be there. Either playing RUG Delver or Scapeshift, depending on the meta.Originally Posted by jbone2016
Success breeds imitation. There have been upwards of 4-5 Nic Fit players per turnout on occasion in my area. When you add in the Sneak/Omni/storm/etc other bad matchups, it definitely got to the point where playing non-Scapewish Nic Fit (at Jupiter especially) was suicide.
I play with White as my third color because I've long been a GBW Rock player. I'm comfortable in the way those colors play. I much rather play something I'm comfortable with rather than what I'm not. As far as not playing Rector, it was mentioned quite a few pages back that it wasn't quite as good right now as it needs to be. I could easily put a list together, but I figured I'd take a crack at a more standard Rock type list and see where it takes me.
I'm not forcing myself to play White, I'm choosing to play White.
Hahaha I understand you :)
I love GWB Control Rock. Look how I rocked the Nightmare-Yosei-Combo in 2006 in GWB Rock Survival (one of my two favorite decks EVER). That was fun, good memories.
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...ll=1#post90518
The Red cards function basically the same way that White cards function in GBW control rock. Huntmaster is Loxodon Hierarch, Punishing Fire is Swords to Plowshares and you get some awesome Red Blasts and Slaughter Games to fight Combo decks. So you don't have to fear to be too uncomfortable with it.
A few thoughts:
Don't cut Deed. Just sayin'.
Unfortunately work is preventing me from making it. Sad panda. :(
White needs an engine. Be it Rector, Archangel, whatever, it needs something. The problem with using white to play the Rock is that it's just worse than red at doing so.
Also, Kevin, love the new deck. Seems super sweet. Can you PLEASE name it something else? No offense but Thunian Fit sounds incredibly lame. Also, that's a ton of 5 drops; the proper number of angels is probably 3. You could then shove one into the Living Wish board if you so desired.
Hello all I'm new to this thread but have played scapefit for awhile now, just been creepin the forum till now. I'm gearing up for my first scg and it the Philly scg Sept 8. Just wondering what to exspect the meta there to look like so I can start having my playtest group proxy up some decks. I've played against almost every major deck in legacy n I honestly only fear storm and even that match up doesn't seem to terrifying. Thx
Updated the OP. Feedback welcome.
Good job on the primer! A much needed improvement from the previous one. Thanks for taking the time to do that.
Aside from the threat of counters, is it ever *wrong* to just run a Sigarda out onto the field? Realistically, unless your opponent has a flying beater of equal size, how can the opponent really deal with it?
The only cards that come to mind are Ensnaring Bridge, Terminus and Supreme Verdict (and Miracles is not much of a deck anymore). I don't know of many decks running Damnation or even Wrath of God.
Do you folks reach for her first when you cast GSZ?
Forgive the excitement, I just got my first copy in the mail today. :X
Some more questions:
1. Glissa: worth it? waste of a slot? She dies so so easily but is quite the efficient creature.
2. Scavenging Ooze: MB or SB? When does this card suck?
3. Would you say 1 Fierce Empath is enough to support x2 Sun Titan?
4. What, besides Deed, would you consider all-star in conjunction with Sun Titan?
5. I've been testing 4x Therapy 4x Hymn. I'm not sure if this is correct. Hymn DOES buy time though, which I think is the goal for us. Is MB Duress a thing?
Thanks badasses.
I personally really enjoy ooze main deck it usually doesn't show up by itself but if it does it's fine and the times you really want need it its great to have that access available. Also, one empathy for two titans should be fine, usually you only need one to win. In terms of cards that are silly with sun titan deed usually just wins the game, but eternal witness and fetchs with tops are also very effective.
I went 1-2-1 today with Angel Feeder (best name I can think up). Drew with RUG, Beat Shardless Bug, Lost to Merfolk, Lost to RUG.
Went off twice with the combo at 1 and 3 life. Also smashed in with a 20+ power Sigarda another game, courtesy of bounty.
My thoughts:
Safekeeper:, eh. Never actually cast him. I know it is a safeguard for the combo but needs more testing.
Sun Titan: As much as I like deed shenanigans, non-combo piece hurts a little.
Rector targets without rector: It can work. I didn't actually get a rector to stick to use as a tutor
Ooze: I miss the little guy.
Protean Hulk: Instant combo win, perhaps?
I'll give another report after this Saturday's tournament.
Has anyone thought about how nasty haunting echoes can be in this deck as a burning wish target? I run one I'm.sb and its backbreaking for numerous decks when it lands. Also sowing salt. I run those in scapefit instead of 2 duress in the sb and I can tell u they r phenomenal
Echoes been discussed repeatedly in this thread. Its cute, but not worth a slot. Why pay more mana than scapewish costs for a card that doesn't win on the spot. My foil old frame Haunting echoes is sad, but its true.
Sowing salts has also been discussed a lot. Its worth a slot if turbo eldrazi is played more than usual in your meta, if not its pretty bad.
Sigarda is only a 5/5. Sometimes a goyf outraces her, and geting a thragtusk would have been better, but if your board state/life total are ok, go for it.
1. Some people have tried it but none kept it around. Too cute and dies to all removal in the format.
2. In GB or GBw "junk" nic fit, I like 1 maindecked.
3. If you have 2 sun titans, I dont think empath is even needed.
4. Liliana of the veil, finks, witness. That said, if you uptap with a sun titan you probably won and dont really need to put more cards in your deck on the justification that they are cute with sun titan so if you dont already have a really good reason to run finks or lily, dont. That said, I actually do like lily in those lists.
5. Duress is meh, we aren't ad nauseum and can actually have tons of ways of getting life back. Play thoughtseize. Double black shouldnt be a propriety till later in the game. Personally, in GB or GBw I'd run 4 therapy, no hymn, 3 thoughtseize.
I see what your saying. I have a lot of turbo eldrazi and lands.Dec in my meta so echoes n salt help those matchups a lot.
Then salt I can justify, but 95% of the time you COULD wish for echoes, you could just wish for scapeshift (maybe having to wait a turn for a land drop) and win.
Yea salt has been doing work for me. Nothing worse than facing a glacial chasm lock with scape in hand lol
Yeah. I have a german foil Odyssey Haunting Echoes -- trust me, I really wanted it to actually be good enough. It really isn't. I tried to force it as a Wish target, where it was horrid. I also tried to force it as just a "I'll board this in as a bomb vs control decks" plan, and that failed too. Definitely not worth the slot, which saddens me on some level. But, there needs to be a line drawn between good vs cute SOMEWHERE.
I'll be playing an updated/revised Thunian tomorrow in a local event. We'll see how my changes do.
Hey guys. Brand new here to the Source and to Nic Fit as a deck.
I was thinking about joining the Nic Fit forces, but I really need help with deciding on an actual build. Im a combo player at heart, and i love the interactions that this deck and do with Academy Rector. If i was to build a version of nic fit, it would use her.
Arianrhod's Angel Nic Fit piqued my interests greatly. Grats on top 8 with maiden voyage.
I also like Voice of Resurgence in this deck...but since I'm super noob with the deck, as well as a bit overwhelmed with all the possible builds and interactions, is it worth it to play? Or to just play either Kokusho or Yosei. No one has really given me a straight forward answer...
I also like birthing pod in this deck. But again, is it good enough?
Here's what I've come up with so far...
4x Veteran Explorer
4x Voice of Resurgence
4x Cabal therapy
2x Birthing Pod
Xx Academy Rector
1x Recuring Nightmare
3x Deed
Input and general help needed. Thanks!
You'd end up killing your own Voice with Deed way too often. The idea behind the creature base is: creatures with low CMC are generally expendable so when we sac Deed we either benefit or don't care much. I don't think Voice is even necessary.
The problem with Voice in this deck is that it is a bit of a nonbo with deed along with the fact that the match ups where it shines are already decently in our favor (think RUG Delver or BUG). Thus, most players opt for more bullets or ramp in those slots. In terms of Yosei vs. Kokusho it all depends on how much you plan on abusing rector. Yosei is more of a momentum change for the deck than Kokusho (which simply ends the game more quickly). As a newer player to the deck I would suggest Kokusho instead of Yosei simply because in my experience a lot of my games went to time and if I had Kukosho instead of Yosei I could have ended those games. Once you get a better handle on the deck and its interactions I would suggest switching.
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