List looks good. Cavern 1 of is good because you are running a tri color.Originally Posted by Barook
Maybe a basic Swamp? Or bojuka bog?
Does anyone run life from the loam? My buddy runs it as a one of main deck and it has been Damn solid as another way to waste your opponent out of the game
Cavern is actually underwhelming because I'm run 3 colors and too many spread creature types.
For now, I'm going with the 4th Savannah. I'm not a fan of the basic swamp since the deck isn't that black-intensive and it might hinder my actual spells if I have it in my opening seven.
MD Bog might be a possibility. Although 4 DRS + Ooze + GSZ give the deck already plenty of ways to attack the GY MD. Although it would open up a SB slot, which might be actually interesting.
To go back to the PW discussion: Has anybody tried running both Elspeth and Garruk Relentless in the same 75? It would double the chance to draw a walker without screwing yourself when you draw the second one.
So, candidates for the "flex spot": Garruk, Choke, Thrun, Zealous Persecution or Sigarda, Host of Herons
Edit: Why are people only talking about LftL when considering a Wastelock? CoW should work as well, without spending mana all the time, and it can be E-tutored. Yes, it's vulnerable to AD and the likes, but LftL gets hit just as hard by GY hate.
How often has it been the case that you have had an Elspeth, Knight-Errant in play and been, "Oh, gee, now I'm going to lose because this card I have in hand is a duplicate of the incredibly powerful permanent I have in play that I can't cast."
I am pretty sure the only times this happens to me involve Pithing Needle or Phyrexian Revoker.
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My experience with multiple planeswalkers (qty greater than 1 total in deck) has been that they are difficult to cast. The better 'walkers are 4 mana (Elspy & Garruk). The frequency of seeing both 'walkers in your hand is fairly low (about one in 16 games more or less). Deploying them would take take a decent effort to ramp to 4 mana. Having them glut in your hand due to a small mana screw is not desirable. Outside of Miracles and Landstill, where would we want two copies of 'walkers? Keep in mind both players can maintain Elspeth on board, so "vindicate" is not longer a viable option.
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Well people (me only really) asked because loam just seems like the better card for our deck considering we are a base green deck. And like you said, abrupt decay hits crucible. Also a start vs some one like, T1 Noble T2 Wasteland you, loam back wasteland, seems like a powerful tempo play. Similar to going mana dork into thalia plus waste ifs also quite a powerful play. Loam allows you to go on a more aggressive wasteland plan. And wasting the crap out of the green black greedy mana bases is probably what you will be doing anyway so the is no reason to unnecessarily expose your lock to AD. Basically in a situation like this, what does crucible really do here that loam can't?
After getting unlucky with Vial Maverick and always going 2-2 or worse the last few weeks, I immediately went 4-0 and won the latest Legacy DE with the new Black Maverick build above - sweet!
Short tournament report:
R1: Reanimator
G1: He goes for an early Griselbrand via Entomb. I was expecting Tin Fins, but turns out he's on Reanimator, beating me slowly down with Grizzelbees. Meanwhile, I lay down DRS and Mom on Turn 2, followed up with a KotR who fetches Karakas. At that point, it was game. No idea why he didn't try to draw into counters, though.
G2: He keeps a no-lander hand for whatever reason. I lay down a T1 DRS, he discards Griselbrand, plays Petal --> Careful Study and concedes.
No idea what the hell that was.
R2: Dredge
G1: He does his thing while I can land a DRS. But it's already too late and he can sac a Narcomoeba to Therapy for 3 tokens. I play another DRS and he starts the beats with a second Moeba and his 3 zombies (for some reason, he didn't use the other Therapies to produce more tokens). I block with my second DRS to get rid of his 3 Bridges and trade a Pridemage with a Zombie a turn later. I get landflooded and durdle around with my DRS to stay alive, removing important creatures in the process. At 5 life, I finally draw a GSZ which searches for Ooze while I have shittons of mana. He concedes.
G2: He goes City, Breakthrough. I play Bog. He lays down a Coliseum, I waste it and play DRS. He concedes. (I also had E-tutor for Gravedigger's Cage in hand - good times)
R3: Junk
This was more or less a mirror match. He didn't run Moms, but Liliana, among other things.
G1: I get in some early damage and amass creatures on the board while getting rid of his Batterskull and Jitte. However, his second SFM grabs him a SoFF. He's at 9 at that point, but I can't punch through since his 2 DRS neutered my KotR. Luckily, I draw Batterskull and form a Plan B. I fetch Cradle, equip Batterskull to my BoP which I fetched early for manafixing and swing for the win despite him pulling some double Liliana shenanigans.
G2: Lots of removal flinging at the beginning of the game, but then I get stuck on one Scrubland and he lays down a Liliana while I have nothing on the board. Game over.
G3: I can stick a DRS and a Jitte, but he got an early double DRS and a flashbacked Lingering Souls, which put lots of pressure on me. I try to stay alive while his DRS and tokens wreck havoc on my live total. A Phyrexian Revoker stops his DRS from killing me, while I dance around 1 life point and take out one of creatures each turn. Mom comes down and so does a KotR, but he draws a Liliana and Mom must go. While things look dire, I draw GSZ --> Cradle --> Ooze with tons of mana. With the extra life gained, I can easily kill the rest of his board without holding back and swing with an 8/8 Ooze, among other things.
R4: BigBlackPox playing Pox:
G1: I get an early DRS, Mom and Jitte online while he has Cursed Scroll and Tabernacle. Thoughtseize hits Liliana, while I lose my DRS to Smallpox. Mom with Jitte continues the beats. He made a mistake when he tried to kill her with Factory + Scroll (he had to block anyway since he was at 2 life), but was one mana short. He draws another Factory the next turn, but I topdeck Wasteland and he's toast.
G2: I get an early Ooze and KotR (which should get rid of his Tabernacle), but he goes Ritual --> Perish. I topdeck Library and sculp my hand while he's still manascrewed. I draw DRS and GSZ for KotR, he gets a Liliana. I lay down Pridemage and a Revoker for Liliana, however both die protecting KotR from double Smallpox. My hand was gone and he had one card left - another Smallpox, as my Duress revealed. KotR kills Liliana while he gets his Nether Spirit into play. I could StP it, but prefer to draw Elspeth which I play thanks to KotR mana tricks. He swings with his second Factory since I'm only at 5 life due Library draws and fetch uses, but in the end, it's futile, since he's at 15 life and I grab a fetchland to let my KotR grow to 12/12. One Elspeth jump later and he's a goner.
Overall, I'm more than satisfied with the deck's performance so far. Its capability to combat the graveyard is downright insane. For now, 4 DRS are here to stay since he's the nuts. 1 BoP for mana fixing is enough.
I can't say much about the board or the discard package, though. They did their jobs, but more playtesting is required to figure out the right numbers.
Year I agree with cavern not being that great in dark maverick. You need your color lands .
Its really good in the punishing maverick deck.
The other decks just seem to use sylvan library for more card selection over card advantage.
How are you handling Shardless BUG? Especially the versions with Whipflare seem troublesome.
I've already discussed it with Sunyveil a bit. SFM + SOFaF seems nice, but SoFaF dies to AD. He made the suggestion that Master of the Wild Hunt might have some merit. At the very least, that sounds like an interesting option since it's immune to both AD and Whipflare.
What if you actually want to draw the one.
Why do people want so bad to run random lucky one ofs they have no way to tutor for. It's like a goddamn neurosis.
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I really love wild hunt. He is basically The green lava mancer. 90% of the creatures in legacy that matter are power 2 or less. He also builds a clock with out you having to over extend your board and loose to a sweeper.
So he's worth a sideboard slot as a GSZ target? Building an army to blank Liliana has potential as well.
I think he is worth some testing. Might be a hiding gem.
That's what sideboards are for. Unlike Blue decks with Brainstorms, we don't have ways to maximize redundant copies of non-creature cards in this deck. When the function of this deck relies on hitting just the right <creatures> in the right time frame, drawing redundant or useless copies of non-creature cards (StP, Sylvan Library, 2nd 'Walker) serve no purpose but to set up a dead draw. At least with Sylvan Library, there's the option of setting it back on top and shuffling it away; but outside that unique case drawing Elspeth #2 when you needed something else could be the difference of winning and losing a close game.
I don't think there's a logical proof for it either. It's all about the feel. Some game you really need the Elspeth (both first or second), and others you don't need either. I would rather hedge one in maindeck and shore it up with sideboard copies. This serves to keep the sideboard flexible enough.
"Jack of All Trades, Master of None" in the maindeck.
"Laser focused" after sideboard.
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Just won another Legacy Daily 4-0. My track record so far isn't too shabby with the current build: 4-0, 0-2 (lost twice in a row to Omniscience bullshit yesterday) and 4-0 again today.
Match-ups today were UR S&T with Omniscience (got revenge for the loss yesterday), Elves! (got lucky), BUG Shardless and Reanimator.
Same deck as before, with the only change being the replacement of the rather useless Zuran Orb with Master of the Wild Hunt. Only got him really active in G3 against BUG, but he did a damn well job there, completely dismantling his board position. I could see him being useful in various creature match-ups as well, but that needs more testing.
Good stuff. Keep us updates how that card does.
Some versions of Nic Fit ran Ulvenwald Tracker. I wonder if that would be a better GSZ target if you just need a green Grim Lavamancer? Of course, it does not give the same board presence, but it's always fun to make a creature fight your Knight :)
I've considered Ulvenwald Tracker, but I see various problems with it:
- it needs other creatures to be good
- it costs mana to activate
- it dies to AD, Whipflare and lots of other stuff
While Tracker is significantly cheaper, I don't think he's good enough, but I could be wrong. MotWH seems overall better - he comes with his own built-in army and has immunity to certain kinds of removal, especially the ones common in the BUG Shardless match-up, which was the reason for his inclusion in the first place.
@AlbyLegacy: I'll try, but there needs to be more testing. I kind of like him so far.
FYI (and I'll post more once I get home form work)
Traditional (GW Zenith) Maverick got 2nd place at a 54 person tournament last night. The pilot is pretty new to competitive environment as well. This leads me to think that the deck is good again, and the pilot played exceptionally well. I'll ask him for better details, or to post his report if he's got an account.
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