The reasoning given in the article is sound (based on a major championship), but what it amounts to is a horribad mess. Edict in over 'Tog? Char over Helix? Lotus over, well, anything? Wall over Survival or Recurring Nightmare?
Artworks are pretty adequate, if a little mediocre for the most part.
No FoW is a downer.
FOIL Hymn, Jace, Swords, wire, Ritual and GSZ is def. worth it.
FoF, Ultimatum, Carmo Collosus etc. are 50c crap
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Originally Posted by Echelon
Wizards wouldn't be happy if they didn't include a bunch of "FUCK YOU!"-cards to troll its consumers.
The new Hymn art is okay (although the wolf one would have been more iconic), Fyndhorn Elves are ugly as fuck and the Tangle Wire bondage is just plain dumb. Chainer's Edict art makes sense considering the old one doesn't show Chainer.
I like how they even linked the video to reason the inclusion of Char despite Lightning Helix being the key card here.Fun fact: Char has already been the 15th anniversary foil. Now they're going to do it again on the 20th?
Thran Dynamo is a pure EDH card. It should have been Wildfire, not some random ass mana artifact.
It's sad how they can get away with churning out shitty product by including one money card.
@Lemnear: FoW would have been the bomb alongside Jace.
40$ infinite supply package with FoW and JMS on MODO? I would take 20!
I agree with most of these but they can't reprint SotF or RecNite. They're both in the reserved list.
RecSur was probably the hardest to represent as most of the pieces there are banned.
Although Gilded Lotus is another representation of Black Lotus so I understand why they shoe-in-ed it there.
Also, it would have been cool to see Lin Sivvi, Defiant Hero over Tangle Wire there and have Jitte in the Ink Eyes slot. Equipments are part of the game too. And Sivvi was one of the most dominating Legendary creature in its time.
I wouldn't foil my Wires to that art. That art is just bad.
I am convinced that WotC is "dumbing" the game because of all the stupid posts they come across on MTG-related forums
If they wanted to print further money, they could have reprinted Port instead of Dynamo.
Hell, a foil Brainstorm would have been a nice card.
FOIL Nielsen Stp? Om nom nom
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Haaaaahhaaaa what a hideous shitbox. Nice $400 preorder.
I'm fine with them not putting just infinite value by just putting shit tons of expensive cards, but some of these choices seem terrible. Like has been said about GSZ and wolf run. GSZ is fine, that card was awesome, but wolf run... god... lingering souls, delver, hell vapor snag!! The delver decks are much more iconic than wolf run decks
Absolute garbage! Jace won't save the day because you can just buy it as a single at the same price. The whole point for me is to get a bunch of interesting cards at a lower price than the singles' market price. For me it's a huge fail.
Yep, you're 100% right about this! :thumbs up:
Sadly,you're also 100% right about this...
Yes, you can buy yourself a FOIL FtV Jace for the price of a whole box.
I'll take a box then, thanks.
(In all honest, I'll get a few boxes and see the price rocket with all the playables (which players want as Sets) in there. Considering the other FtV sets still tanking at ~100€ with MUCH less playables in them, this FtV is pure gold bought at ~110€ per box.
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The rest of the box is garbage so the value you get is.. what? 20-30 bucks that come from Venser+ 50 cent rares/uncommons that we already have in excess? And even Venser is mediocre. At least for Legacy players, not to mention the rest (except commander maybe?).
I confess: Looking at the bigger picture of the new Fyndhorn, redhead's not bad.
EDIT: Funny thing I just realized - the article about this product is the greatest indictment of Reserved list ever. There are other things to mention, but these stay above all other:
#4: 1996 - zero Necropotence?
#6: 1998 - Cantrip Wall instead of any RecSur namesake
FTV 20:
1993: Black Lotus (kthxbye...)
1994: Mana Drain (screw calendary!)
1995: Necropotence
1996: Force of Will
1997: Undiscovered Paradise
1998: Survival of the Fittest
1999: City of Traitors
2000: Tinker
2001: Fact or Fiction
2002: Psychatog
2003: Exalted Angel
2004: Grim Monolith
2005: Umezawa's Jitte
2006: Char? Yes!
2007: Tarmogoyf
2008: Thoughtseize
2009 - 2013: whatever spectacular money cards you'll gather in Gatherer...
FTV by your very own.
I can agree to an extent that a good deal of these cards are unplayable, but will fit nicely in the EDH and Cube formats. Still, I can't complain too much seeing as how I got mine at MSRP +$5. That's a pretty good deal. So I'll be able to flip most of these cards and get some more Dual Lands and Fetchlands.
There is an awful lot of complaining here about a box marked to sell at $75 that includes a foil Jace + a lot of other Legacy, EDH and Cube playables.
Also why would you want Tog over Chainer's Edict, the latter actually sees play in most Cubes. The former is like ninth in the running for one of the weakest color combinations. Hey I remember the Tog decks being really good in every format too but that was ten fucking years ago.
For my confessions, they burned me with fire/
And found I was for endurance made
I'm pretty sure people would tear Wizards a new asshole about nepotism if some people could pay $75 for a box with a market value around $1400
For my confessions, they burned me with fire/
And found I was for endurance made
Man, you guys complain so freaking much. First you complain that the set is 200+, now you complain it doesn't have drain or fow. Are you guys serious? How much do you think the set will be if those were in it?
I personally think it's a great set in terms of cards, stp, dr, hymn are all iconic cards. The only thing I thought they didn't do well on was it didn't invoke nostalgia as much as I would have liked. Tbh, Serra angel, stasis, dr teeth, monger, are all inexpensive cards to reprint that defined their era. I also felt the art was actually very lackluster, tangled wired received a horrible art, hymn was very mediocre as well.
However, I feel like criticizing wizards for not including money cards when have is already included sound like spoiled brats to me.
Honestly other then jace & Hynm its a largely disappointing product. Jace ensures the price will be many times msrp, the rest honestly isn't worth the price of admission let alone what its going for. Meh, at least it was good deal for the folks who managed to get it at msrp and it might get the price of foil Jace down a bit.
After another Careful read some of the reasoning given for the choices are Sound (with past Promo prints in the back of your head). Still, with Grim Monolith appearing several times without a chance to see a reprint is a slap in the face of the games history. My wishboard would have been without considering the reserved list and the lists they picked to represent the Year:
1993: Dark Ritual
1994: Swords to Plowshares
1995: Hymn to Tourach
1996: Force of Will
1997: Vampric Tutor (much more essential than Impulse)
1998: Recurring Nightmare
1999: Grim Monolith
2000: Tangle Wire
2001: Fact or Fiction / Meddling Mage
2002: Counterspell / Chainer's Edict
2003: Exalted Angel / A. Vengeance
2004: Metalworker
2005: Umezawa's Jitte
2006: Lightning Helix
2007: Tarmogoyf
2008: Thoughtseize (had no Chance because of Hymn)
2009: Cryptic Command
2010: Jace
2011: GSZ
2012: Primeval Titan
That would have been insane.
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I wish they had chosen better for STP/Dark Rit/Hymn, couple iffy choices, and 2 cards from Wolf Run Ramp seems like a wasted opportunity, but all in all I'm happy with it.
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